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pharazon wrote:That's what you get for not reading the Flaidish page well enough.

AHEM:

I wrote:for my entire life I've mis-pronounced "plaid" as /plejd/!

Dudicon wrote:<7> is pronounced as a glottal stop everywhere, and the word "Flaid" is pronounced /fl{d/, as in "plaid."

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always thought it was /flejd/! And now I know that it's because for my entire life I've mis-pronounced "plaid" as /plejd/! Crap!

*drools* Yes! Bwahahahahahaha....gimme!

Err...yes.

One question. How is Wede:i <r> pronounced exactly?

Eddy the Great wrote:If my brilliant work on the quest for progress and equality was rejected, you know that you have to do yours brilliantly, much more so than I did.

Don't worry, I'm sure he will.

something simple where we can see the flow, and see how the languages change from one with no adpositions, and 1 or 2 meansings per word (Isolating) to 2 or 3 affixes, 4 or 5 meanings per root(Agglutinating), to the affixes join together into a 'hard to seperate' mess (Fusional/Poly) <pendantic>Uh....

Or Beijing Mandarin, where girls and young women often pronounce the alveolopalatal consonants as palatalized alveolar ones. (It gives speech a very "flittering" quality.) This is known as "N?3guo2yin1" - "female national pronunciation" - national pronunciation probably referring to the "national" ...

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I'm extremely lucky. I've had gross, nasty colds/mild fevers several times in the past few years, but I've never had the flu before, and it's been like 5 years since I last threw up... You steal my fantasies and my memories, and now this! You're like some sort of identity thief or something! :evil:...

I'm extremely lucky. I've had gross, nasty colds/mild fevers several times in the past few years, but I've never had the flu before, and it's been like 5 years since I last threw up...

Then why hasn't any language violated any of them? Why? Because no languages exist right now that don't follow the patterns. We have no way of knowing whether they have been violated in the past. And I recall Jeff saying that one of the Indian languages is very close to breaking that universal (the...

Eddy the Great wrote:I find it hard to believe that these universals are simply chance. There has to be a reason why 6,000 languages follow these rules.

These are patterns, not rules. There is absolutely no reason why a language couldn't break them.

If it's a human language, then yes. If 6,000 languages follow a rule, it's probably not just coincidence. If it's not a human language, then violate as many universals as you want. A truely alien language will have little in common with our languages. I see no problem violating a universal, even if...

con quesa wrote:

Mark gives a good example in the LCK: in the word comi', "I ate," the ending -i' signifies a first person singular preterit tense indicative mood (verb type -er).

Isn't that an example of inflection? I'm asking about aggulgination.

Sorry. I was responding to Eddy and Jeff's comments.

Eddy the Great wrote:I know. Spanish compresses so much into one modified word ending.

Mark gives a good example in the LCK: in the word comi', "I ate," the ending -i' signifies a first person singular preterit tense indicative mood (verb type -er).

faCinated, hate incorrect spelling... PS, I'm not even English speaking. ES, on a second thoght, I am. But not as a native language anyway... gAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhghghgghAAAAA! not faCinated, faSCinated! dont correct if ur incorrect! (sorry, but i hate people telling someone that theyve done it w...

Because the human languages he has up now are all descended from Ca?inor, so its like comparing Latin with older Spanish, French, and Italian. They'll be quite similar. So the others derived from proto-Eastern will show some variety? Most likely. Look at *proto-Eastern's page, where Zomp has some s...

I should point out to Mark that the argument of all langs in a family being similar is not necessarily true. IE langs range from isolating(English) to polsynthetic(French). There is even an IE lang with implosive consonants. I'm not bashing Mark's conlangs, only pointing out that they could be more...

Cevlakohn wrote:

CountJordan wrote:Could this be a 'sister thread' of mine called Modern Conworlds?

No, but I can't remember what.

Huh?

This post got me to thinking... I haven't learned any naturalistic conlangs (I'm conversational in Esperanto, though), and I was thinking, assuming that there would be a good grammar and course structure, would it be easier to learn a naturalistic conlang than to learn a natlang? Wouldn't the fact ...

Eddy the Great wrote:

Why not IE?

There are doxens of other language families. It isn't even necessary to base it on one family.

Once again:

jburke wrote:Verdurian is obviously an IE-style language (begun twenty years ago, when IE langs had yet to be overdone)

Why not IE?

Eddy the Great wrote:Fine, but he could develop more families. Why must the protagonists use an IE based conlang?

The fact that he's still got only a few languages written out shows how careful he is being to do them well. Don't expect him to write all 200 Almean languages in just a few years.

I don't quite know the origin of your antipathy towards IE languages, nor do I understand the grounds of your criticism of Mark's work. The Almean languages upon which Mark has focused have been largely related to Verdurian in some way; and Verdurian is obviously an IE-style language (begun twenty ...

I have a question about the abbriviated forms of the nominals which are used for incorporation. What part of the nominal is used? What if the nominal is contains an abbrivated form itself? For example, say the word for "river" was: Lashaga?ametikmalat La-sha-ga-?ame-tik-malat It-runs-HABITUAL-stone-...

DarkFantasy wrote:!K's screenname is wierd...he has no title, 2 posts, and no auto avatar...is this a board error or what? It doesn't say he's a guest...lol...things like this just make me curious.

You don't become a Flaid until 3 (or 4, I forget) posts, so !K has no rank, and thus no auto-avatar.