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- Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:45 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
- Replies: 98
- Views: 29637
Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
A few more things to fix for Algic: 1. I realize some of my labeling was confusing, sorry. "(Ojibwean)" just meant Algonquin, Oji-Cree, Saulteaux, Odawa, and Southwestern Ojibwe [and Old Algonquin] are all dialects of the same language (well, of the same dialect chain). So they don't need that label...
- Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:05 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 6067
Re: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?
Thank you! I knew I'd seen a paper on this but could not for the life of me remember where.Nesescosac wrote:just gonna drop this here
- Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:53 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 6067
Re: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?
I feel like just a voiced/voiceless is unlikely to be the consonant mutation. Welsh for example has a radical (base) form (e.g. /p t k b d g/), a soft form (e.g. /b d g v ð ∅/), a nasal form (e.g. /m̥ n̥ ŋ̊ m n ŋ/) and an aspirate form (e.g. /f θ x/). Generally, I would say that for a consonant mut...
- Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:17 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
- Replies: 98
- Views: 29637
Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
A couple more: YUROK (Algic) is now dead. "Nine" seems to have come out weird in the Unicode conversion process -- by the orthography used for the other numbers, it should be kɹ:mik’ . Apparently the more recent form for "two people" is niʔiƚ (per Andrew Garrett (2014) Basic Yurok Grammar ) CAVINEÑA...
- Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:46 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
- Replies: 98
- Views: 29637
Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Whoops, I take that back, there's one other error -- the numbers 3 and 4 are also switched (3 = neswi, 4 = nye:wi)Whimemsz wrote:FOX: correct except for #10 should be meta:swi
- Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:30 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
- Replies: 98
- Views: 29637
Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Some more stuff, from South America. Several languages from the Nadahup family* are broken up into distinct groups in the Numbers list currently -- understandably, since they were essentially undocumented until the last few decades. So, the constituent members are HUP (listed as Hupda under "Puinave...
- Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:16 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
- Replies: 98
- Views: 29637
Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
For Algonquian (mostly following the order on the Numbers page): PROTO-ALGONQUIAN: *nekwetwi / *pe:šekwi, *nyi:šwi, *neʔθwi, *nye:wi, *nya:θanwi, *nekwetwa:ši(ka), *nyi:šwa:ši(ka), *neʔθwa:ši(ka), *ša:nka, *metaθa / *meta:tahθwi - the endings on the numerals from six - ten have varying reflexes and ...
- Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:32 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
- Replies: 98
- Views: 29637
Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Also, Crow (from Randolph Graczyk (2007), A Grammar of Crow):
1. hawáta
2. dúupa
3. dáawii
4. shoopá
5. chiaxxú
6. akaawá
7. sáhpua
8. dúupahpi
9. hawátahpi
10. pilaká
1. hawáta
2. dúupa
3. dáawii
4. shoopá
5. chiaxxú
6. akaawá
7. sáhpua
8. dúupahpi
9. hawátahpi
10. pilaká
- Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:33 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
- Replies: 98
- Views: 29637
Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Per vlad, the Nahuatl numbers should be: cē, ōme, ēyi, nāhui, mācuilli, chicuacē, chicōme, chicuēyi, chiucnāhui, mahtlactli - with macrons added, and: ""chiconahui" is wrong. The word is /tʃikʷnaːwi/, which could be written "chicunahui" or "chicuhnahui" but not "chiconahui" -- that would be /tʃikona...
- Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:55 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Or
- Replies: 19
- Views: 5662
Re: Or
<Whimemsz> Ojibwe has a number of different words that mostly are some combination of maa (a discourse particle) and ge~gaye (a general conjunction), with the basic meaning "maybe/perhaps". Gemaa or maage being the most common, but then there's also just gaye on its own, or gemaa gaye . Also possib...
- Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:53 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Frislander's scratchpad
- Replies: 41
- Views: 19111
Re: Frislander's scratchpad
It seems more and more likely with each post that the dialects are mutually unintelligible. I wouldn't say that. If they share significant vocabulary, a few 1:1 correspondences like that would not be a barrier to communication. A similar situation obtained with the two major "dialects" of Arapaho (...
- Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:41 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Explaining sound change?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 3977
Re: Explaining sound change?
1: I understand that sound changes will occur when criteria is met ( A = B under conditions C always). How complex can these conditions be? Most examples I've seen are pretty straightforward, but I'm no expert. SCs can vary all the way from no conditions at all, to so complex conditions that very f...
- Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:43 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Hapax Phonoumena
- Replies: 36
- Views: 10756
Re: Hapax Phonoumena
(Most dialects of) Ojibwe only have /h/ in a handful of interjections, e.g. ahaaw , "okay;" haawn! , "fire! go!"; hay' "darn it! (after making a mistake)". The last two also have unique clusters, /wn/ and /jʔ/. Some dialects have additional onomatopoeic words with /h/, e.g. Odawa/Eastern Ojibwe waa...
- Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:23 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Hapax Phonoumena
- Replies: 36
- Views: 10756
Re: Hapax Phonoumena
(Most dialects of) Ojibwe only have /h/ in a handful of interjections, e.g. ahaaw , "okay;" haawn! , "fire! go!"; hay' "darn it! (after making a mistake)". The last two also have unique clusters, /wn/ and /jʔ/. Some dialects have additional onomatopoeic words with /h/, e.g. Odawa/Eastern Ojibwe waah...
- Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:59 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Frislander's scratchpad
- Replies: 41
- Views: 19111
Re: Frislander's scratchpad
I like the look of this so far. It's quite believable as a Plains Algonquian language without being an obvious copy of either Arapahoan or Cheyenne. I'm interested in seeing more. (One minor correction: the terms are proximate and obviative, not obviate)
- Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 867162
Re: Romanization challenge thread
It was... vaguely consistent to a certain extent. But not in the "standardized orthography" sense, let alone a phonemic orthography. (See here ). English writing of Massachusett and Narragansett also failed to consistently mark important phonemic distinctions, including vowel nasalization and (for M...
- Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:28 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 867162
Re: Romanization challenge thread
It's generally not too hard for native or fluent speakers to read and write in a system that doesn't mark all the actual phonemic contrasts of the language. Just like Arabic/Hebrew/etc. can be written with minimal vowel indications (less so for Modern Hebrew). Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics in theory...
- Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:11 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Native American survival scenario
- Replies: 288
- Views: 101835
Re: Native American survival scenario
This is probably unworkable for a number of reasons, some of which Salmoneus pointed out. The only way I see this working is if the disease transfer isn't so destructively one-way. So more in line with the colonization of Africa (though even there, essentially every native group was subjugated to Eu...
- Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:56 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 630316
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Some options (and you can use different ones for different environments, if you like!): drop it completely, change it to [h], change it to [s], palatalize it before or after front vowels, change it to [r] (either intervocalically or everywhere).Aino Meilani wrote:How can I get rid of /z/ in an interesting way?
- Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:57 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Odd natlang features thread
- Replies: 354
- Views: 148535
Re: Odd natlang features thread
Kuikuro has a pretty neat phoneme inventory: /p t k dʲ ts s h m n ɲ ŋ l w/ (note that the only voiced stop--and only palatalized consonant--is /dʲ/) plus a uvular tap /ʀ̆/.
- Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:53 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
- Replies: 2452
- Views: 425982
Re: The Innovative Usage Thread
To be fair, I don't see the point in that kind of snide, contentless response to Rusanov's post, which was on-topic and not blatantly wrong. I find many of Rusanov's statements ridiculous, but to automatically reply to every post he makes with a snide one-liner is silly.
- Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:55 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 630316
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
This seems reasonable enough.Bristel wrote:pw > f?
This is insanely common, so no problem at all.Bristel wrote:kw > p?
Yes.Bristel wrote:Plus, would pə > po be possible?
- Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:22 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: A guide to small consonant inventories
- Replies: 129
- Views: 79186
Re: A guide to small consonant inventories
Woo this is fun, looking for this stuff. ANYWAY some more. Karitiâna has 11: /p t k s h m n ɲ ŋ r w/. (Although based on the description I would argue for analyzing "/ɲ/" as /j/ since that's one of its realizations and it doesn't pattern with the other nasals.) Tiriyó has 10: /p t k s h m n r j w/. ...
- Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:05 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: A guide to small consonant inventories
- Replies: 129
- Views: 79186
Re: A guide to small consonant inventories
Apparently it's mostly from older intervocalic *k, but in a few words there's still intervocalic [k] from older clusters (e.g. *akuri > *akri > aki, "agouti") so the distinction is now phonemic! Meanwhile older intervocalic *p and *t changed to -w- and -r- so it's part of a broader process. (My info...
- Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:51 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: A guide to small consonant inventories
- Replies: 129
- Views: 79186
Re: A guide to small consonant inventories
Oh, also, for Cubeo , change /x/ to /h/ and add /ð/ as a phoneme (apparently it's very marginal, normally appearing as an allophone of /j/, but there are a handful of examples of contrast). Also. You can add Mi'kmaq, which has 13 phonemes: /p t ʧ k kʷ s x xʷ m n l j w/; Miami-Illinois which has 11: ...