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by Whimemsz
Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:45 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Replies: 98
Views: 14406

Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated

A few more things to fix for Algic: 1. I realize some of my labeling was confusing, sorry. "(Ojibwean)" just meant Algonquin, Oji-Cree, Saulteaux, Odawa, and Southwestern Ojibwe [and Old Algonquin] are all dialects of the same language (well, of the same dialect chain). So they don't need that label...
by Whimemsz
Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:05 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?
Replies: 16
Views: 2996

Re: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?

Nesescosac wrote:just gonna drop this here
Thank you! I knew I'd seen a paper on this but could not for the life of me remember where.
by Whimemsz
Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:53 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?
Replies: 16
Views: 2996

Re: Consonant Mutation: Ideas on what to use it for?

I feel like just a voiced/voiceless is unlikely to be the consonant mutation. Welsh for example has a radical (base) form (e.g. /p t k b d g/), a soft form (e.g. /b d g v ð ∅/), a nasal form (e.g. /m̥ n̥ ŋ̊ m n ŋ/) and an aspirate form (e.g. /f θ x/). Generally, I would say that for a consonant mut...
by Whimemsz
Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:17 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Replies: 98
Views: 14406

Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated

A couple more: YUROK (Algic) is now dead. "Nine" seems to have come out weird in the Unicode conversion process -- by the orthography used for the other numbers, it should be kɹ:mik’ . Apparently the more recent form for "two people" is niʔiƚ (per Andrew Garrett (2014) Basic Yurok Grammar ) CAVINEÑA...
by Whimemsz
Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:46 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Replies: 98
Views: 14406

Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated

Whimemsz wrote:FOX: correct except for #10 should be meta:swi
Whoops, I take that back, there's one other error -- the numbers 3 and 4 are also switched (3 = neswi, 4 = nye:wi)
by Whimemsz
Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:30 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Replies: 98
Views: 14406

Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated

Some more stuff, from South America. Several languages from the Nadahup family* are broken up into distinct groups in the Numbers list currently -- understandably, since they were essentially undocumented until the last few decades. So, the constituent members are HUP (listed as Hupda under "Puinave...
by Whimemsz
Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:16 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Replies: 98
Views: 14406

Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated

For Algonquian (mostly following the order on the Numbers page): PROTO-ALGONQUIAN: *nekwetwi / *pe:šekwi, *nyi:šwi, *neʔθwi, *nye:wi, *nya:θanwi, *nekwetwa:ši(ka), *nyi:šwa:ši(ka), *neʔθwa:ši(ka), *ša:nka, *metaθa / *meta:tahθwi - the endings on the numerals from six - ten have varying reflexes and ...
by Whimemsz
Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:32 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Replies: 98
Views: 14406

Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated

Also, Crow (from Randolph Graczyk (2007), A Grammar of Crow):

1. hawáta
2. dúupa
3. dáawii
4. shoopá
5. chiaxxú
6. akaawá
7. sáhpua
8. dúupahpi
9. hawátahpi
10. pilaká
by Whimemsz
Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:33 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated
Replies: 98
Views: 14406

Re: Numbers from 1 to 10 updated

Per vlad, the Nahuatl numbers should be: cē, ōme, ēyi, nāhui, mācuilli, chicuacē, chicōme, chicuēyi, chiucnāhui, mahtlactli - with macrons added, and: ""chiconahui" is wrong. The word is /tʃikʷnaːwi/, which could be written "chicunahui" or "chicuhnahui" but not "chiconahui" -- that would be /tʃikona...
by Whimemsz
Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:55 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Or
Replies: 19
Views: 3175

Re: Or

<Whimemsz> Ojibwe has a number of different words that mostly are some combination of maa (a discourse particle) and ge~gaye (a general conjunction), with the basic meaning "maybe/perhaps". Gemaa or maage being the most common, but then there's also just gaye on its own, or gemaa gaye . Also possib...
by Whimemsz
Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:53 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Frislander's scratchpad
Replies: 41
Views: 11030

Re: Frislander's scratchpad

It seems more and more likely with each post that the dialects are mutually unintelligible. I wouldn't say that. If they share significant vocabulary, a few 1:1 correspondences like that would not be a barrier to communication. A similar situation obtained with the two major "dialects" of Arapaho (...
by Whimemsz
Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:41 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Explaining sound change?
Replies: 9
Views: 2130

Re: Explaining sound change?

1: I understand that sound changes will occur when criteria is met ( A = B under conditions C always). How complex can these conditions be? Most examples I've seen are pretty straightforward, but I'm no expert. SCs can vary all the way from no conditions at all, to so complex conditions that very f...
by Whimemsz
Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:43 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Hapax Phonoumena
Replies: 36
Views: 5599

Re: Hapax Phonoumena

(Most dialects of) Ojibwe only have /h/ in a handful of interjections, e.g. ahaaw , "okay;" haawn! , "fire! go!"; hay' "darn it! (after making a mistake)". The last two also have unique clusters, /wn/ and /jʔ/. Some dialects have additional onomatopoeic words with /h/, e.g. Odawa/Eastern Ojibwe waa...
by Whimemsz
Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:23 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Hapax Phonoumena
Replies: 36
Views: 5599

Re: Hapax Phonoumena

(Most dialects of) Ojibwe only have /h/ in a handful of interjections, e.g. ahaaw , "okay;" haawn! , "fire! go!"; hay' "darn it! (after making a mistake)". The last two also have unique clusters, /wn/ and /jʔ/. Some dialects have additional onomatopoeic words with /h/, e.g. Odawa/Eastern Ojibwe waah...
by Whimemsz
Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:59 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Frislander's scratchpad
Replies: 41
Views: 11030

Re: Frislander's scratchpad

I like the look of this so far. It's quite believable as a Plains Algonquian language without being an obvious copy of either Arapahoan or Cheyenne. I'm interested in seeing more. (One minor correction: the terms are proximate and obviative, not obviate)
by Whimemsz
Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:05 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 467548

Re: Romanization challenge thread

It was... vaguely consistent to a certain extent. But not in the "standardized orthography" sense, let alone a phonemic orthography. (See here ). English writing of Massachusett and Narragansett also failed to consistently mark important phonemic distinctions, including vowel nasalization and (for M...
by Whimemsz
Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:28 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 467548

Re: Romanization challenge thread

It's generally not too hard for native or fluent speakers to read and write in a system that doesn't mark all the actual phonemic contrasts of the language. Just like Arabic/Hebrew/etc. can be written with minimal vowel indications (less so for Modern Hebrew). Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics in theory...
by Whimemsz
Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:11 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Native American survival scenario
Replies: 288
Views: 50005

Re: Native American survival scenario

This is probably unworkable for a number of reasons, some of which Salmoneus pointed out. The only way I see this working is if the disease transfer isn't so destructively one-way. So more in line with the colonization of Africa (though even there, essentially every native group was subjugated to Eu...
by Whimemsz
Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:56 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 342443

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Aino Meilani wrote:How can I get rid of /z/ in an interesting way?
Some options (and you can use different ones for different environments, if you like!): drop it completely, change it to [h], change it to [s], palatalize it before or after front vowels, change it to [r] (either intervocalically or everywhere).
by Whimemsz
Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:57 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Odd natlang features thread
Replies: 354
Views: 85539

Re: Odd natlang features thread

Kuikuro has a pretty neat phoneme inventory: /p t k dʲ ts s h m n ɲ ŋ l w/ (note that the only voiced stop--and only palatalized consonant--is /dʲ/) plus a uvular tap /ʀ̆/.
by Whimemsz
Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:53 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 2452
Views: 214332

Re: The Innovative Usage Thread

To be fair, I don't see the point in that kind of snide, contentless response to Rusanov's post, which was on-topic and not blatantly wrong. I find many of Rusanov's statements ridiculous, but to automatically reply to every post he makes with a snide one-liner is silly.
by Whimemsz
Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:55 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 342443

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Bristel wrote:pw > f?
This seems reasonable enough.
Bristel wrote:kw > p?
This is insanely common, so no problem at all.
Bristel wrote:Plus, would pə > po be possible?
Yes.
by Whimemsz
Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:22 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: A guide to small consonant inventories
Replies: 129
Views: 42270

Re: A guide to small consonant inventories

Woo this is fun, looking for this stuff. ANYWAY some more. Karitiâna has 11: /p t k s h m n ɲ ŋ r w/. (Although based on the description I would argue for analyzing "/ɲ/" as /j/ since that's one of its realizations and it doesn't pattern with the other nasals.) Tiriyó has 10: /p t k s h m n r j w/. ...
by Whimemsz
Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:05 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: A guide to small consonant inventories
Replies: 129
Views: 42270

Re: A guide to small consonant inventories

Apparently it's mostly from older intervocalic *k, but in a few words there's still intervocalic [k] from older clusters (e.g. *akuri > *akri > aki, "agouti") so the distinction is now phonemic! Meanwhile older intervocalic *p and *t changed to -w- and -r- so it's part of a broader process. (My info...
by Whimemsz
Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:51 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: A guide to small consonant inventories
Replies: 129
Views: 42270

Re: A guide to small consonant inventories

Oh, also, for Cubeo , change /x/ to /h/ and add /ð/ as a phoneme (apparently it's very marginal, normally appearing as an allophone of /j/, but there are a handful of examples of contrast). Also. You can add Mi'kmaq, which has 13 phonemes: /p t ʧ k kʷ s x xʷ m n l j w/; Miami-Illinois which has 11: ...