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I am frankly surprised that no one we are aware of has actually stumbled upon said apical/laminal alveolar (and palatoalveolar/alveolopalatal) allophonic alternation before in North American English, though; for some reason I feel like someone somehow must have encountered this before and recorded ...

I am frankly surprised that no one we are aware of has actually stumbled upon said apical/laminal alveolar (and palatoalveolar/alveolopalatal) allophonic alternation before in North American English, though; for some reason I feel like someone somehow must have encountered this before and recorded ...

Sound changes I tend to apply to this sound include [ɲ] > [j] and [ɲ] > [ŋ]. The latter hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet but seems quite plausible to me; if anything, I'd predict it to be more likely than [ɲ] > [n] as there is a greater similarity in the articulation. But isn't [J] closer t...

finlay wrote: The other one that surprised me from L&M was that apparently most BrE speakers have a post-dental fricative and most Californians have an inter-dental fricative for /θ/ (I have an inter-dental).

As far as I can tell, mine is apical (or possibly laminal but very close to apical) dental.

And to copy on my part... It is interesting that your default /s/ sound is laminal rather than apical*, whereas that I am used to is clearly apical* and actually in places contrasts with its laminal counterpart, i.e. non-initial /ss/ is the apical* [s̺ː] and non-initial /st/ is frequently the lamin...

... and for a bit of context here are the Canepari pictures referred to, again from that thread: Travis, let's carry out an experiment. The image below shows six sibilant fricatives. First, tell us which ones -- whether with a secondary articulation or not -- do you have in your idiolect and in what...

(Reposted from this thread .) Because I was not sure what the dots were supposed to signify. For instance, I would not have assumed that there would have been any apical palatals like that, so that first dot must have been marking a dental POA and not an alveolar POA. Ladefoged and Maddieson, in The...

And as for "citations needed" - it is often easy to just blindly question anything by asking for citations, which of course they will likely not have anything authoritative for on hand, as most people do not live in university libraries or have paid-for accounts for journals, which are usually horr...

/karɪˈbiːən/ (definitely four syllables).

My impression of the y/ll affricate from when I've heard it (including from Spanish speakers using it in English words like you and yesterday ) is of something similar to the English [dʒ] but less sibilant, and I've heard both European and Mexican Spanish speakers using it. However I can make sounds...

If anyone doesn't believe Travis on ejectives in English, will you believe John Wells?

http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/ ... glish.html

British English (my variety of) has
squirrel [ˈskwɪɹl̩]
rural [ɹʊːɹl̩]
plural [plʊːɹl̩]
all of which are perhaps less striking than some of the American versions.

Whatever the realisation of "can/can't", it's a stupid distinction to have to make on just the final consonant, and really annoying when you don't really make it any other way. Virtualy all dialects of English have unstressed [kən] for "can" and no unstressed version of "can't", which means it does...

(I also say something like [kʉɫ] rather than [kuɫ] usually, partly because the L vocalises to [w] a lot of the time and it'd disappear after , so it's easier to keep it distinct by saying [ʉw]. But an there is more likely than anywhere else.) I have long with maybe an off-glide/approximant thing fo...

I think it may be more Austrian than Bavarian Bavarian. Also, -erl is [ɐl], so it's not all l, but <Welt> is something like [vœd̥], <Milch> is [mʏç]. Does that relate to that Austrian dialect which has been described as having four contrasting long front rounded vowels? The example given by http://...

Davoush wrote:I may have missed something and risk sounding ridiculous but I just tried to pronounce [m] and [m_w], when I made [m_w] I noticed my mouth was in the position as if about to kiss (think of 'mwah') - does that count as rounding?

That's what I thought too.

Why do people keep transcribing English words that definitely have long vowels without /:/ or [:]? :( /:/: because in some analyses of some English dialects, length isn't phonemic. Indeed even in the "standard" Wells/Gimson transcription of RP length is predictable from quality, though IMO in some ...

So, can I say that vowel (3) and vowel (4) are phonemically distinct? Vowel (3) was presumably, at some point, an allophone of vowel (4) used before /l/ within the same word. For my dad, I think that's still true. For me, it seems that it's an allophone of vowel (4) used before /l/ within the same ...

I know that some Americans say /pɑstə/. Do all Americans say /pɑstə/? I don't know. :roll: I say /pɑstə/. Isn't that closer to the native pronunciation? The native pronunciation is [pasta]. So it depends on how you realise the two vowels: if you're from the Inland North of the US then PALM/LOT is a...

So I've been looking around, but I can't seem to find a list of words with the phonemes /ɪə, ɛə, ʊə, ɜː/ that did not result from historic sequences of /ir, er, ur, ɜr/ (ex. id ea , y eah . Is there anyone who can come up with a good list of words that fit this description? I don't have a list, but...

Bob Johnson wrote:layer (not one who lays)
lair

In non-rhotic mode (which is probably more representative of my normal speech):
layer [leːə], possibly with a slight or [j] glide between the vowels.
lair [lɛː], approaching [læː]

always [ɔɫwɪz]

2) I have been to Iowa before. I think this can only mean that the speaker has been in Iowa at least twice. As a non-native speaker, I'm not entirely sure whether the utterance can only be made in Iowa itself, as linguoboy suggests. To me a converstation like this seems reasonable: "I'm glad I'm ba...

A sandwich, and it has salad in it. Maybe a baguette, but that tends to imply crusty bread.

And "veggies" are vegetarians, not vegetables.

(UK)

Some Goidelic dialects shift stress to syllables with long vowels or diphthongs (and also, oddly, syllables containing /ax/):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_phonology#Stress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_language#Stress

As far as Ontario, it would be better to not even exist to us. Those down near Detroit know it because they gamble in Windsor, but I'd be shocked to find a Michigander besides myself who knew where Sarnia was, or London, etc. Michigan is often seen as Canadian by others but really it's pretty much ...