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- Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:28 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Two questions about Romance and Vulgar Latin
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4418
Re: Two questions about Romance and Vulgar Latin
One last diachronic /T/-fronting example: speakers in the west country traditionally voice /T/ to /D/, but when they then apply th-fronting, they apply the rules appropriate to the original phoneme, so a speaking may change their [DIN] tor [vIN] or [fIN] while keeping their [D{n] as [D{n], because ...
- Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:48 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
dachshund: [ˈdaksʊnt] (yes, somewhat German-influenced, but I don't think I put [h] in there) horse: [hɔːs] horses: [ˈhɔːsəz] whore: [hoə] whores: [hoəz] our: [awə] hours: [awəz] cabinet: [ˈkabɪnət] beautiful: [bjʉːtɪfɫ̩] lawyer: [ˈlɔɪə] bah humbug: [ba: ˈhɞmbɞg] gold: [göoɫd] frankincense: [ˈfɹaŋkɪ...
- Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:18 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Schwa-schwi merger
- Replies: 52
- Views: 12986
Re: Schwa-schwi merger
It's the "Rosa's roses" merger. If you pronounce them the same then you have the merger . It's more complicated than that. There are British English accents (and I'm a speaker of one of them) which retain unstressed /ɪ/ in words like "rabbit", "effect" and "Lenin" (cf "abbot", "affect" and "Lennon"...
- Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:30 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Appliquéd & Crocheted - Peculiar inflexion of borrowings
- Replies: 31
- Views: 7610
Re: Appliquéd & Crocheted - Peculiar inflexion of borrowings
Well, they usually say [h]erb with the H intact. And I know some ignorant sons of bitches actually say "[paIjElla]" when referring to the classic Spanish dish. You might be thinking of the whole "pæsta" "tæco" phenomenon, but I think that's more to do with the Brits not having [a], and having to ma...
- Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:56 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Yay, someone else who rounds the NURSE vowel.ol bofosh wrote:['hɐ.ɹʷɪi] ˈ['fœː.ɹʷɪi]
They're roughly [ˈhɞɹɪ] and [ˈfœːɹɪ] for me, though the end vowel varies a lot.
- Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:06 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
LOT/CLOTH.linguoboy wrote:Donkey--LOT, CLOTH, or STRUT?
Isn't Boston LOT/CLOTH/THOUGHT merged?(CLOTH for me, but last night I noticed that Boston-raised Louis CK has the LOT vowel. One of my grade school teachers had STRUT and we mocked her for it.)
- Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:03 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
a uvular pronunciation of /r/ was also apparently once a feature of really stuffy upperclass Britspeak [I don't know if anyone still says it that way? I kind of doubt it] Really? Rural Northumberland certainly had a uvular, but I thought upper-class BrE was more likely to use a flap or some sort of...
- Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:48 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
EDIT: I guess this is as good a thread as any, but every once in a while, the aspiration of aspirated stops for some speakers will appear as velar or possibly even uvular, especially in stressed syllables. This doesn't seem to have any sort of regularity to it, but I've heard it frequently enough o...
- Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:56 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Langs w dental, alveolar, & palato-alveolar stop phonemes
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2656
Re: Langs w dental, alveolar, & palato-alveolar stop phoneme
Long ago, somebody, either on the ZBB or on CONLANG-L, told me that there was no natural language that had phonemes at all three of the following points-of-articulation -- dental, alveolar, and palato-alveolar -- in any manner-of-articulation other than fricatives and affricates. That turns out not...
- Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:43 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Yes to both, so "your" is the same as "yore", etc.Travis B. wrote:Just a random question, that I did not think of asking before - do you distinguish NORTH and FORCE, and if you do, I presume you are merging Early Modern English /uːr/ with FORCE?AnTeallach wrote:your [joə]
- Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:25 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
this is definitely not for the faint of heart something like [dðɪsɪzˈdɛfɪntlɪˈnɔʔfəðəˈfentəvˈhɑːt], perhaps with hints of rhoticity on the final vowel. Strongest stress on "not". NB the elision of the third vowel in "definitely" is not a typo. In non-rhotic mode: sure [ʃʊː] cure [kçʊː] pure [pçʊː] ...
- Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:44 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Styles of English Phonemic Transcription
- Replies: 13
- Views: 2427
Re: Styles of English Phonemic Transcription
What I was really interested in here, though, is how other people choose to transcribe things, and their rationales for why they do so. In particular, I have noticed a lot of people transcribing general English phonemes, corresponding to what I refer to as "universal" above, with phonemes different...
- Wed May 30, 2012 3:52 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
- Replies: 2452
- Views: 420569
Re: The Innovative Usage Thread
My teenage nephew use "a lettuce" today for "a piece of lettuce" What? So "lettuce" isn't actually a count noun? (I almost never talk about such things in English anyway, but still... In my dialect of Spanish at least lechuga can be either a count noun or a mass noun.) Yes, lettuce is a mass noun; ...
- Fri May 25, 2012 1:32 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Bizarre Sound Changes
- Replies: 190
- Views: 95872
Re: Bizarre Sound Changes
I think the alleged Utah NORTH/START reversal ("barn in a born") is also actually a merger. Eh? Haven't heard that one, and I'm in the next state north... It's mentioned in The Mother Tongue by Bill Bryson. We all know that that book is notoriously unreliable, but there might be something to it. So...
- Thu May 24, 2012 3:24 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Bizarre Sound Changes
- Replies: 190
- Views: 95872
Re: Bizarre Sound Changes
NYC English bird > boid! Isnt it really just /ɜɪ/, though? Ive only heard the full-blown /ɔɪ/ in cartoons and other mock accents. ... and isn't/wasn't it a merger of NURSE and CHOICE as [ɜɪ] rather than the reversal it's sometimes portrayed as? I think the alleged Utah NORTH/START reversal ("barn i...
- Mon May 21, 2012 4:23 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Bizarre Sound Changes
- Replies: 190
- Views: 95872
Re: Bizarre Sound Changes
Scottish Gaelic has a habit of putting /f/ on the beginning of words which start with a vowel, because initial zero can be interpreted as grammatical lenition of /f/. You also get things like /h/ becoming /t/ for similar reasons.
- Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:10 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Same, except [ʊ] for the third vowel of the first one and a monophthong in the last syllable of the second one.finlay wrote:[ˌazɪˈmjʉθəɫ]
[prɛdˈnɪsəloʊn]
- Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:49 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 654020
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
My /θ/ and /ð/ are frequently [tθ] and [dð]. The one time I can think of right now where /θ/ becomes [t̪] is in the word "birthday", which is [bəɹ.t̪eɪ]...in fact, in this case, it might actually be an interdental stop rather than a dental one I often pronounce word-initial /ð/ as [dð], and I've no...
- Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:07 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: British English vowels
- Replies: 10
- Views: 2615
British English vowels
An interesting (and quite radical) analysis of the vowels of modern RP/SSBE/whatever you want to call it from Geoff Lindsey, complete with several sound files (some of which he's edited to demonstrate some of his points, for example cutting off the glide of a diphthong to show the starting point): h...
- Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:06 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Does your AE dialect have phonemically nasal vowels?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 5228
Re: Does your AE dialect have phonemically nasal vowels?
You have nasalized vowels before /n/, like most American English speakers. You haven't provided any evidence yet that this is anything more than an allophonic realization of /VnC/. (I don't really get what words you're trying to contrast... sounds like month, honk, mint, hemp, but if you're trying ...
- Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:31 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Unstressed aspirants in Texas English
- Replies: 36
- Views: 6350
Re: Unstressed aspirants in Texas English
I may be over-analyzing. My accent is wierd. I also lower coda /k g/ to fricatives. So what, you say [bæx] for "back"? Anyway, now I definitely want a recording. Do a recording of yourself saying the " Please Call Stella " text or something. A long way from Texas, but Scouse can have [x] for coda /...
- Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:05 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Transcription styles
- Replies: 44
- Views: 6727
Re: Transcription styles
Rory will be better able to say anything about this than I am, but the vowels in Travis's recording really don't sound as odd to me as Travis's transcriptions suggest they ought to. In particular his DRESS vowel sounds perfectly normal to me, and I'd have thought it wouldn't if the [ɜ] transcription...
- Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:10 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: "one" as [wQn]
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1906
Re: "one" as [wQn]
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010/09/one.htmlLegion wrote:Wiktionary claims there are dialects of British English where "one" is pronounced [wɒn]. Is this true, and if it is, what are those dialects?
- Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:02 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Transcription styles
- Replies: 44
- Views: 6727
Re: Transcription styles
[ˈd̥ɪs ɨːs ˈwʌ̃ːn ɨːɡ̊ˈsɛ̃ːmb̥ɯ̞ː əːv ə ˈsɜ̃ʔn̩ts ɨ̃ːn̪ n̪ə ˈskĩːm ˈwɛ̝ːʁˤ ˈɒo̯ ˈpʰɰosɨːfs ˈmɛʔpt ˈwʌ̃ːn ˈweː] There are a few things here I find surprising. Other than those already discussed: - the [b̥] in "example": do you rhyme "example" and "amble"? - the long vowel in "of": really? I know you...
- Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:23 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Sibilants
- Replies: 21
- Views: 6243
Re: Sibilants
Basically because I can not only hear them, but knowing what someone will say, can reliably pick which someone will have, for these particularly before /uː ʊ w/. This is unlike in the many clusters I speak of, where this is not true, which makes me suspect that this in clusters is more dialectal in...