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by AnTeallach
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:28 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Two questions about Romance and Vulgar Latin
Replies: 23
Views: 4375

Re: Two questions about Romance and Vulgar Latin

One last diachronic /T/-fronting example: speakers in the west country traditionally voice /T/ to /D/, but when they then apply th-fronting, they apply the rules appropriate to the original phoneme, so a speaking may change their [DIN] tor [vIN] or [fIN] while keeping their [D{n] as [D{n], because ...
by AnTeallach
Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:48 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

dachshund: [ˈdaksʊnt] (yes, somewhat German-influenced, but I don't think I put [h] in there) horse: [hɔːs] horses: [ˈhɔːsəz] whore: [hoə] whores: [hoəz] our: [awə] hours: [awəz] cabinet: [ˈkabɪnət] beautiful: [bjʉːtɪfɫ̩] lawyer: [ˈlɔɪə] bah humbug: [ba: ˈhɞmbɞg] gold: [göoɫd] frankincense: [ˈfɹaŋkɪ...
by AnTeallach
Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:18 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Schwa-schwi merger
Replies: 52
Views: 12847

Re: Schwa-schwi merger

It's the "Rosa's roses" merger. If you pronounce them the same then you have the merger . It's more complicated than that. There are British English accents (and I'm a speaker of one of them) which retain unstressed /ɪ/ in words like "rabbit", "effect" and "Lenin" (cf "abbot", "affect" and "Lennon"...
by AnTeallach
Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:30 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Appliquéd & Crocheted - Peculiar inflexion of borrowings
Replies: 31
Views: 7541

Re: Appliquéd & Crocheted - Peculiar inflexion of borrowings

Well, they usually say [h]erb with the H intact. And I know some ignorant sons of bitches actually say "[paIjElla]" when referring to the classic Spanish dish. You might be thinking of the whole "pæsta" "tæco" phenomenon, but I think that's more to do with the Brits not having [a], and having to ma...
by AnTeallach
Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:56 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

ol bofosh wrote:['hɐ.ɹʷɪi] ˈ['fœː.ɹʷɪi]
Yay, someone else who rounds the NURSE vowel.

They're roughly [ˈhɞɹɪ] and [ˈfœːɹɪ] for me, though the end vowel varies a lot.
by AnTeallach
Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:06 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

linguoboy wrote:Donkey--LOT, CLOTH, or STRUT?
LOT/CLOTH.
(CLOTH for me, but last night I noticed that Boston-raised Louis CK has the LOT vowel. One of my grade school teachers had STRUT and we mocked her for it.)
Isn't Boston LOT/CLOTH/THOUGHT merged?
by AnTeallach
Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:03 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

a uvular pronunciation of /r/ was also apparently once a feature of really stuffy upperclass Britspeak [I don't know if anyone still says it that way? I kind of doubt it] Really? Rural Northumberland certainly had a uvular, but I thought upper-class BrE was more likely to use a flap or some sort of...
by AnTeallach
Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:48 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

EDIT: I guess this is as good a thread as any, but every once in a while, the aspiration of aspirated stops for some speakers will appear as velar or possibly even uvular, especially in stressed syllables. This doesn't seem to have any sort of regularity to it, but I've heard it frequently enough o...
by AnTeallach
Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:56 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Langs w dental, alveolar, & palato-alveolar stop phonemes
Replies: 8
Views: 2632

Re: Langs w dental, alveolar, & palato-alveolar stop phoneme

Long ago, somebody, either on the ZBB or on CONLANG-L, told me that there was no natural language that had phonemes at all three of the following points-of-articulation -- dental, alveolar, and palato-alveolar -- in any manner-of-articulation other than fricatives and affricates. That turns out not...
by AnTeallach
Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:43 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

Travis B. wrote:
AnTeallach wrote:your [joə]
Just a random question, that I did not think of asking before - do you distinguish NORTH and FORCE, and if you do, I presume you are merging Early Modern English /uːr/ with FORCE?
Yes to both, so "your" is the same as "yore", etc.
by AnTeallach
Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:25 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

this is definitely not for the faint of heart something like [dðɪsɪzˈdɛfɪntlɪˈnɔʔfəðəˈfentəvˈhɑːt], perhaps with hints of rhoticity on the final vowel. Strongest stress on "not". NB the elision of the third vowel in "definitely" is not a typo. In non-rhotic mode: sure [ʃʊː] cure [kçʊː] pure [pçʊː] ...
by AnTeallach
Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:44 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Styles of English Phonemic Transcription
Replies: 13
Views: 2404

Re: Styles of English Phonemic Transcription

What I was really interested in here, though, is how other people choose to transcribe things, and their rationales for why they do so. In particular, I have noticed a lot of people transcribing general English phonemes, corresponding to what I refer to as "universal" above, with phonemes different...
by AnTeallach
Wed May 30, 2012 3:52 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 2452
Views: 413484

Re: The Innovative Usage Thread

My teenage nephew use "a lettuce" today for "a piece of lettuce" What? So "lettuce" isn't actually a count noun? (I almost never talk about such things in English anyway, but still... In my dialect of Spanish at least lechuga can be either a count noun or a mass noun.) Yes, lettuce is a mass noun; ...
by AnTeallach
Fri May 25, 2012 1:32 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Bizarre Sound Changes
Replies: 190
Views: 93207

Re: Bizarre Sound Changes

I think the alleged Utah NORTH/START reversal ("barn in a born") is also actually a merger. Eh? Haven't heard that one, and I'm in the next state north... It's mentioned in The Mother Tongue by Bill Bryson. We all know that that book is notoriously unreliable, but there might be something to it. So...
by AnTeallach
Thu May 24, 2012 3:24 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Bizarre Sound Changes
Replies: 190
Views: 93207

Re: Bizarre Sound Changes

NYC English bird > boid! Isnt it really just /ɜɪ/, though? Ive only heard the full-blown /ɔɪ/ in cartoons and other mock accents. ... and isn't/wasn't it a merger of NURSE and CHOICE as [ɜɪ] rather than the reversal it's sometimes portrayed as? I think the alleged Utah NORTH/START reversal ("barn i...
by AnTeallach
Mon May 21, 2012 4:23 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Bizarre Sound Changes
Replies: 190
Views: 93207

Re: Bizarre Sound Changes

Scottish Gaelic has a habit of putting /f/ on the beginning of words which start with a vowel, because initial zero can be interpreted as grammatical lenition of /f/. You also get things like /h/ becoming /t/ for similar reasons.
by AnTeallach
Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:10 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

finlay wrote:[ˌazɪˈmjʉθəɫ]
[prɛdˈnɪsəloʊn]
Same, except [ʊ] for the third vowel of the first one and a monophthong in the last syllable of the second one.
by AnTeallach
Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:49 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639923

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

My /θ/ and /ð/ are frequently [tθ] and [dð]. The one time I can think of right now where /θ/ becomes [t̪] is in the word "birthday", which is [bəɹ.t̪eɪ]...in fact, in this case, it might actually be an interdental stop rather than a dental one I often pronounce word-initial /ð/ as [dð], and I've no...
by AnTeallach
Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:07 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: British English vowels
Replies: 10
Views: 2592

British English vowels

An interesting (and quite radical) analysis of the vowels of modern RP/SSBE/whatever you want to call it from Geoff Lindsey, complete with several sound files (some of which he's edited to demonstrate some of his points, for example cutting off the glide of a diphthong to show the starting point): h...
by AnTeallach
Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:06 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Does your AE dialect have phonemically nasal vowels?
Replies: 34
Views: 5176

Re: Does your AE dialect have phonemically nasal vowels?

You have nasalized vowels before /n/, like most American English speakers. You haven't provided any evidence yet that this is anything more than an allophonic realization of /VnC/. (I don't really get what words you're trying to contrast... sounds like month, honk, mint, hemp, but if you're trying ...
by AnTeallach
Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:31 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Unstressed aspirants in Texas English
Replies: 36
Views: 6282

Re: Unstressed aspirants in Texas English

I may be over-analyzing. My accent is wierd. I also lower coda /k g/ to fricatives. So what, you say [bæx] for "back"? Anyway, now I definitely want a recording. Do a recording of yourself saying the " Please Call Stella " text or something. A long way from Texas, but Scouse can have [x] for coda /...
by AnTeallach
Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:05 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Transcription styles
Replies: 44
Views: 6615

Re: Transcription styles

Rory will be better able to say anything about this than I am, but the vowels in Travis's recording really don't sound as odd to me as Travis's transcriptions suggest they ought to. In particular his DRESS vowel sounds perfectly normal to me, and I'd have thought it wouldn't if the [ɜ] transcription...
by AnTeallach
Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:10 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "one" as [wQn]
Replies: 8
Views: 1889

Re: "one" as [wQn]

Legion wrote:Wiktionary claims there are dialects of British English where "one" is pronounced [wɒn]. Is this true, and if it is, what are those dialects?
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010/09/one.html
by AnTeallach
Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:02 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Transcription styles
Replies: 44
Views: 6615

Re: Transcription styles

[ˈd̥ɪs ɨːs ˈwʌ̃ːn ɨːɡ̊ˈsɛ̃ːmb̥ɯ̞ː əːv ə ˈsɜ̃ʔn̩ts ɨ̃ːn̪ n̪ə ˈskĩːm ˈwɛ̝ːʁˤ ˈɒo̯ ˈpʰɰosɨːfs ˈmɛʔpt ˈwʌ̃ːn ˈweː] There are a few things here I find surprising. Other than those already discussed: - the [b̥] in "example": do you rhyme "example" and "amble"? - the long vowel in "of": really? I know you...
by AnTeallach
Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:23 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Sibilants
Replies: 21
Views: 6210

Re: Sibilants

Basically because I can not only hear them, but knowing what someone will say, can reliably pick which someone will have, for these particularly before /uː ʊ w/. This is unlike in the many clusters I speak of, where this is not true, which makes me suspect that this in clusters is more dialectal in...