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- Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:00 pm
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: Linguistic Quackery Thread, take 2
- Replies: 812
- Views: 203594
I checked it out - it basically says that Biblical Hewbrew is the original garden of Eden language, My favorite is the guy behind it all - you see his bio page, and all his degrees are in English lit. Well this makes perfect sense; after all, El Shaddai spoke the world into creation using Hebrew. Z...
- Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:18 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: European languages before Indo-European
- Replies: 812
- Views: 193200
- Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:02 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: PIE Noun
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2608
But how do I know what the nominative singular ending of the suffixed stem looks like, whether the noun is declined thematic or athematic and what gender it has? A root might form different words through suffixing different stems. For example, the root *wlk "wolf" was a thematic noun for a male wol...
- Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:51 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Ellision of intervocalic voiced stops
- Replies: 16
- Views: 4401
- Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:50 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Diachronics of demonstratives
- Replies: 23
- Views: 11355
- Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:06 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Languages of Antiquity
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4665
- Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:41 am
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Most difficult aspect of your native language for foreigners
- Replies: 128
- Views: 55748
- Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:53 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Question about syllabic resonants in PIE
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1277
I've never heard of this, but it sounds similar to the Sievers-Edgerton Law. This law effects all sonants and basically says that a sonant is vocalized after a long vowel or pause. This occurs across word boundaries, as well as within a word. It only effects sonants in word initial clusters if the w...
- Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:46 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Accentual types of PIE
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2279
- Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:12 pm
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: Creativity of the day
- Replies: 1704
- Views: 323340
An Octavian comparison of Finnish and IE-langs and Japanese. Finnish word – meaning Other language word – meaning Notes -kO - INTERROGATIVE SUFFIX Jp: ka – INTERROGATIVE PARTICLE anoa – beg (for money or help) Jp: tanomu – to ask a favor antaa – to give Jp: watasu – to hand ei – no, not Sw: nej – n...
- Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:55 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
What of common exo-Anatolian, tho? Seems that stage includes at least -initial loss -merger elsewhere. Albanian supposedly retains initial *h4. Armenian retains initial *h2, but not consistently. Kortland explains /h/ in Anatolian, Armenian, and Albanian the same way: *h1 is lost everywhere, *h2 an...
- Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:51 am
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
Yes. The wikipedia article on Glottalic theory makes the same bizarre statement: "Hopper (1973) also proposed that the aspiration that had been assumed for the voiced stops bh, dh, gh could be accounted for by a low-level phonetic feature known to phoneticians as "breathy voice." " Surely that's a ...
- Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:47 am
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
Surely that's not just a hypothesis, but what "voiced aspirates" actually are . A voiced consonant accompanied by a voiceless release is unattested in PIE's descendant languages, so why reconstruct it at all for the parent? Isn't there supposed to be some Armenian dialects with true voiced aspirates?
- Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:39 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
That only follos if PIE actually had aspirates. True. I'm not fully convinced of it myself. In fact I lean towards the Breathy Voice Hypothesis. It seems plausible it's a later development from original mediae, and in the branches that clearly have or had them, there either also develops a /h/ (Gre...
- Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:50 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
In any case, there seems only marginal reason to propose laryngeals beyond the original three. More interesting is the case of Grk hippos , which I have seen suggested is actually the product of two word-initial laryngeals, such that Greek would have a rule HH > hi / #_C Are there any other words w...
- Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:08 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
Please reread the entire thread. Twice. I did. And I don't think I'm mistaken about the mindset I've mentioned above. At any rate, I've seen no evidence to the contrary. The "offending parties" were TaylorS and myself and we've both explained what our mindsets were.TheGoatMan gets it (and everyone ...
- Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:35 am
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
Also, and correct me if I'm confused in this account, *h2 is not preserved as a consonant before *o in Hittite. Sometimes. My information might be out of date, but last I heard there was still debate about it. Kortland, at least in 2001, subscribed to the theory that *h2 and *h3 were retained befor...
- Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:13 am
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
- Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:43 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
No, I don't wish to be insulted. You haven't been. But I'm feeling the urge. Illich-Svitych and Dolgopolsky reconstruct 50 consonants and 7 vowels. Your sense of humor is weird, then. Even with this specific version (Illich-Svitych's original one had 39 consonants IIRC), I don't see what's so funny...
- Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:49 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
Interesting. "Russian Nostraticists" who included Afro-Asiatic and Dravidian in Nostratic might refer to Illich-Svitych and Dolgopolsky. Whose reconstructed phoneme inventory is "ridiculously complex", I wonder? Or is this an example of how North American universities teach people to quote their so...
- Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:35 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
Personally I'm still a bit iffy on exactly what the laryngeals were and how many of them there might have been but I have a hard time imagining that if there were six of them that they'd all be between the velar and glottal POAs or that they'd all be fricatives. Nobody really knows how they were pr...
- Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:36 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
Re: h4 and h5
I believe Gsandi's personal version of PIE has h4 and h5, maybe even h6 as well. If so, his site has justification. However, I'm not 100% sure on that, even though it would be utterly trivial for me to go to his website and check. Too lazy. He has six, but two of these are labialized versions of *h...
- Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:21 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
- Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:19 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
It reminds me of the ridiculously complex phoneme inventories Russian Nostraticists propose for Proto-Nostratic, mostly, IMO, because they are insistent that Afro-Asiatic and Dravidian are Nostratic languages, which I think is a load of bull. Most of those reconstructed phonemes are a form of handw...
- Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:14 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: h4 and h5
- Replies: 92
- Views: 38109
From the sound of all this, would it not be simpler to just propose that there had been some kind of irregular shifting or elision of such somewhere in what could be called pre-Anatolian, rather than assuming, in a quasi-Neogrammarian fashion, completely regular sound changes between Anatolian and ...