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by cromulant
Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:32 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

A vowel POA is a unique comination of frontness and height. You have ten POAs (or 13 if roundedness counts, which I think it doesn't), seven of which are phonemic: a, ɛ/œ, ɔ, e/ø, o, i/y, u, ɪ, ɵ, ɐ. Hmmm, the last three aren't phonemic though, so maybe I need to add some extra vowels. Maybe ɪ ʊ ɐ ...
by cromulant
Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:48 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

What is the most SAE European language family?
by cromulant
Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:06 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Na'vi from the movie Avatar 1. Absence of any phonemic POA for stops further back than velar [half mark for only one stop-POA behind velar, or for prominent allophonic stops behind velar] 2. Phonemic voicing 3. Phonemic voicing only on stops and fricatives only fricatives 4. Voicing distinction on ...
by cromulant
Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:53 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Post your conlang's phonology
Replies: 2278
Views: 522360

Re: Post your conlang's phonology

Clawgrip, for a phonology of that size and diversity, it seems a bit odd to not have a lateral. Especially when the only rhotic(s) have a trill rather than an approximant or flap~tap. It's really not that big or diverse an inventory. On WALS it would score "Average" for Consonant Inventory; languag...
by cromulant
Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:46 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

ObsequiousNewt wrote:It's outdated because the test has changed.
The info in the OP is very much still operative. The test has changed but the subject matter has not.

Your question, 'please explain this 17 page thread to me,' was/is vague and dangerously broad.
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:34 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Uzhdarchios wrote:To return to phonologies —
Yes.
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:55 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Chagen wrote:It was about the complete and utter slander and character assassination Nort and Cromulant were doing.
Oh, I see. You're a lunatic.
Chagen wrote:Also, you ARE aware that Proto-Pasuu
no one cares
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:55 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

I never so much as hinted at "minimalism," nor would a reasonable person reading my post draw any such conclusion. if non-SAEness per se is your goal, think about subtractive differences as well. Don't just add stuff to SAE, take stuff out as well. Name me any non-European natlang with a largish or ...
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:59 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Restrictiveness in Conlangs
Replies: 8
Views: 2210

Re: Restrictiveness in Conlangs

My conlang Gac uses different word orders for descriptive adjectives (Adj-N-Det) and restrictive adjectives (N-Det-Adj-Det). The natlang Spanish does the reverse: N-Adj for descriptive; Adj-N for restrictive (determiners not playing a part).
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:28 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Chagen: is the inventory of Pazmat still /p b t d ʈ ɖ k g q f v θ ð s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ x ɣ χ tɕ dʑ m m̥ n n̥ ŋ l j w ɹ a i e o u a: aɪ e ɪ oɪ aʊ ã ĩ ẽ õ ũ/? I got that from your thread. But in that thread you indicate (C)(C)(C) V (C)(C) syllable structure, so maybe it's out of date. But if not... Calling i...
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:53 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Theta wrote:For real though, how hard would it be to make a grammar version of this (or at least limit it to morphology or something)?
From Weeping Elf's website:

http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/sae.html
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:46 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Basilius: Nort 'issued' a new survey that was intended to replace Sal's, and people have been variously using it (or even noticing it) or not. I was referring to the version Chagen took, whichever that was. 43. Syllabic consonants only in word-final (not including compounds!) position (includes no s...
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:59 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

So... is there a detailed explanation of all of these that I can look at? The OP has some but it looks outdated. Please? I don't quite understand all of these criteria. The info in the OP is not outdated; European languages have not undergone any major typological shifts in the last 2 years. What s...
by cromulant
Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:45 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Basilius wrote:Complaints about the test not accounting for grammar are indeed pointless, but in honesty, neither this:
[qsr̩lɕtɕq zgl̩zɖʐiq]
- nor this:
Smrž pln skvrn zvlhl z mlh; plch zdrhl skrz drn, prv zhltl hrst zrn.
- looks SAE.

Perhaps, this could be taken into account?
See questions 43 and 44.
by cromulant
Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:12 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

You know, despite having four phonemic syllabic consonants and allowing [qsr̩lɕtɕq zgl̩zɖʐiq] qsṛlsjcjq zgḷzjhiq , which does actually mean something: "annoying waterbird". This test has some problems. a phonology that is otherwise SAE but allows large consonant clusters really hasn't escaped SAE-n...
by cromulant
Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:33 am
Forum: None of the above
Topic: Member Countries and Known Languages
Replies: 130
Views: 64551

Re: Member Countries and Known Languages

I'm an American and I speak English!
by cromulant
Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:31 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Mouse Language?
Replies: 36
Views: 38546

Re: Mouse Language?

Even worse. Sorry; unconstructive. I didn't realize right away you'd completely done away with vowels and consonants. That is an improvement. But what makes you think a mouse phonology would be so intensely tonal? I don't think of mice as particularly musical creatures. I think the relevant questio...
by cromulant
Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:14 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Heocg
Replies: 16
Views: 3912

Re: Heocg

Chagen wrote:The Heocg are not ones for war, normally, a trait that has costed cost them sometimes in the political turmoil of Dorishar.
by cromulant
Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:06 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Question about Logophoric Pronouns
Replies: 10
Views: 3014

Re: Question about Logophoric Pronouns

That would still be the 3rd person one, right? Because Bob in this case is a 3rd person. Depends on what deictic frame you're looking at. Reported speech introduces a whole new frame of deixis, where the roles of speaker, listener and other are shuffled in potentially six different ways: 1st->2nd, ...
by cromulant
Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:41 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Question about Logophoric Pronouns
Replies: 10
Views: 3014

Re: Question about Logophoric Pronouns

It doesn't seem to me that a logophoric first-person pronoun would be needed. "He thought that he went" and "You thought that you went" are ambiguous as to whether the "he"s and the "you"s are the same; "I thought that I went" is not. So I don't think a first-person logophoric pronoun would be a th...
by cromulant
Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:30 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Syntax Question
Replies: 29
Views: 7524

Re: Syntax Question

The real typological cleave seems to be the order of V and O.
by cromulant
Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:16 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

Pirahã (Under the "no nasals" analysis) 1. Absence of any phonemic POA for stops further back than velar [half mark for only one stop-POA behind velar, or for prominent allophonic stops behind velar] 2. Phonemic voicing 3. Phonemic voicing only on stops and fricatives stops only 4. Voicing distinct...
by cromulant
Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:52 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Zinazizak‧pqna
Replies: 19
Views: 6125

Re: Zinazizak‧pqna

Quantum wrote:I can kinda see what Zju's intending. Using the hooks and tails inherent in Latin as diacritics
yeah we got that
by cromulant
Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:00 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
Replies: 622
Views: 175029

Re: How to design a non-European phonology

55. More phonemes at a single coronal POA than at any other single POA
Languages don't seem to break this one.
by cromulant
Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:55 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Mouse Language?
Replies: 36
Views: 38546

Re: Mouse Language?

A completely human phonology + 60 tones. This is supposed to be "mousey" how exactly?