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- Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:32 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
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Re: How to design a non-European phonology
A vowel POA is a unique comination of frontness and height. You have ten POAs (or 13 if roundedness counts, which I think it doesn't), seven of which are phonemic: a, ɛ/œ, ɔ, e/ø, o, i/y, u, ɪ, ɵ, ɐ. Hmmm, the last three aren't phonemic though, so maybe I need to add some extra vowels. Maybe ɪ ʊ ɐ ...
- Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:48 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
What is the most SAE European language family?
- Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:06 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
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Re: How to design a non-European phonology
Na'vi from the movie Avatar 1. Absence of any phonemic POA for stops further back than velar [half mark for only one stop-POA behind velar, or for prominent allophonic stops behind velar] 2. Phonemic voicing 3. Phonemic voicing only on stops and fricatives only fricatives 4. Voicing distinction on ...
- Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:53 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Post your conlang's phonology
- Replies: 2278
- Views: 522360
Re: Post your conlang's phonology
Clawgrip, for a phonology of that size and diversity, it seems a bit odd to not have a lateral. Especially when the only rhotic(s) have a trill rather than an approximant or flap~tap. It's really not that big or diverse an inventory. On WALS it would score "Average" for Consonant Inventory; languag...
- Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:46 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
The info in the OP is very much still operative. The test has changed but the subject matter has not.ObsequiousNewt wrote:It's outdated because the test has changed.
Your question, 'please explain this 17 page thread to me,' was/is vague and dangerously broad.
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:34 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
Yes.Uzhdarchios wrote:To return to phonologies —
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:55 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
Oh, I see. You're a lunatic.Chagen wrote:It was about the complete and utter slander and character assassination Nort and Cromulant were doing.
no one caresChagen wrote:Also, you ARE aware that Proto-Pasuu
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:55 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
I never so much as hinted at "minimalism," nor would a reasonable person reading my post draw any such conclusion. if non-SAEness per se is your goal, think about subtractive differences as well. Don't just add stuff to SAE, take stuff out as well. Name me any non-European natlang with a largish or ...
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:59 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Restrictiveness in Conlangs
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2210
Re: Restrictiveness in Conlangs
My conlang Gac uses different word orders for descriptive adjectives (Adj-N-Det) and restrictive adjectives (N-Det-Adj-Det). The natlang Spanish does the reverse: N-Adj for descriptive; Adj-N for restrictive (determiners not playing a part).
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:28 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
Chagen: is the inventory of Pazmat still /p b t d ʈ ɖ k g q f v θ ð s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ x ɣ χ tɕ dʑ m m̥ n n̥ ŋ l j w ɹ a i e o u a: aɪ e ɪ oɪ aʊ ã ĩ ẽ õ ũ/? I got that from your thread. But in that thread you indicate (C)(C)(C) V (C)(C) syllable structure, so maybe it's out of date. But if not... Calling i...
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:53 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
From Weeping Elf's website:Theta wrote:For real though, how hard would it be to make a grammar version of this (or at least limit it to morphology or something)?
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/sae.html
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:46 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
Basilius: Nort 'issued' a new survey that was intended to replace Sal's, and people have been variously using it (or even noticing it) or not. I was referring to the version Chagen took, whichever that was. 43. Syllabic consonants only in word-final (not including compounds!) position (includes no s...
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:59 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
So... is there a detailed explanation of all of these that I can look at? The OP has some but it looks outdated. Please? I don't quite understand all of these criteria. The info in the OP is not outdated; European languages have not undergone any major typological shifts in the last 2 years. What s...
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:45 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
See questions 43 and 44.Basilius wrote:Complaints about the test not accounting for grammar are indeed pointless, but in honesty, neither this:
- nor this:[qsr̩lɕtɕq zgl̩zɖʐiq]- looks SAE.Smrž pln skvrn zvlhl z mlh; plch zdrhl skrz drn, prv zhltl hrst zrn.
Perhaps, this could be taken into account?
- Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:12 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
You know, despite having four phonemic syllabic consonants and allowing [qsr̩lɕtɕq zgl̩zɖʐiq] qsṛlsjcjq zgḷzjhiq , which does actually mean something: "annoying waterbird". This test has some problems. a phonology that is otherwise SAE but allows large consonant clusters really hasn't escaped SAE-n...
- Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:33 am
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: Member Countries and Known Languages
- Replies: 130
- Views: 64551
Re: Member Countries and Known Languages
I'm an American and I speak English!
- Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:31 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Mouse Language?
- Replies: 36
- Views: 38546
Re: Mouse Language?
Even worse. Sorry; unconstructive. I didn't realize right away you'd completely done away with vowels and consonants. That is an improvement. But what makes you think a mouse phonology would be so intensely tonal? I don't think of mice as particularly musical creatures. I think the relevant questio...
- Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:14 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Heocg
- Replies: 16
- Views: 3912
Re: Heocg
Chagen wrote:The Heocg are not ones for war, normally, a trait that hascostedcost them sometimes in the political turmoil of Dorishar.
- Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:06 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Question about Logophoric Pronouns
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3014
Re: Question about Logophoric Pronouns
That would still be the 3rd person one, right? Because Bob in this case is a 3rd person. Depends on what deictic frame you're looking at. Reported speech introduces a whole new frame of deixis, where the roles of speaker, listener and other are shuffled in potentially six different ways: 1st->2nd, ...
- Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:41 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Question about Logophoric Pronouns
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3014
Re: Question about Logophoric Pronouns
It doesn't seem to me that a logophoric first-person pronoun would be needed. "He thought that he went" and "You thought that you went" are ambiguous as to whether the "he"s and the "you"s are the same; "I thought that I went" is not. So I don't think a first-person logophoric pronoun would be a th...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:30 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Syntax Question
- Replies: 29
- Views: 7524
Re: Syntax Question
The real typological cleave seems to be the order of V and O.
- Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:16 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
Pirahã (Under the "no nasals" analysis) 1. Absence of any phonemic POA for stops further back than velar [half mark for only one stop-POA behind velar, or for prominent allophonic stops behind velar] 2. Phonemic voicing 3. Phonemic voicing only on stops and fricatives stops only 4. Voicing distinct...
- Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:52 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Zinazizak‧pqna
- Replies: 19
- Views: 6125
Re: Zinazizak‧pqna
yeah we got thatQuantum wrote:I can kinda see what Zju's intending. Using the hooks and tails inherent in Latin as diacritics
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:00 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European phonology
- Replies: 622
- Views: 175029
Re: How to design a non-European phonology
Languages don't seem to break this one.55. More phonemes at a single coronal POA than at any other single POA
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:55 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Mouse Language?
- Replies: 36
- Views: 38546
Re: Mouse Language?
A completely human phonology + 60 tones. This is supposed to be "mousey" how exactly?