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- Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:25 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: (Ir)regularity of sound change
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2398
Re: (Ir)regularity of sound change
Suddenly, a quote from Labov. I have examined the raising of /eyC/ as a prototypical sound change in a continuous phonetic space, below the level of conscious awareness, which has continued in the same direction for over a century. As an ideal candidate for a Neogrammarian sound change, it has been ...
- Thu May 08, 2014 3:45 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 619908
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
r > gʟ θ > tθ For a dumb reader like me, the mechanics and conditioning environments for these^ bits may demand a lengthy explanation :) Also, another Q&D solution for KathAveara: claim that your /z/ was formerly /dz/, then went [dz] -> [z] (-> [s]) in one set of environments and remained [dz] (->[...
- Thu May 08, 2014 3:25 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 619908
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I'm more interested in the conditioning environments than options for what to turn /z/ into. There's a problem, for one of the changes your split presupposes is trivial and easy and the other isn't. Have you already decided on the intermediary stages for your /z/ -> /ts/ change? If not, this subjec...
- Thu May 08, 2014 3:08 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: On French grave accents
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2171
Re: On French grave accents
Yes, I was stupid.
I understand, où is the only word which uses ù?
I understand, où is the only word which uses ù?
- Thu May 08, 2014 8:40 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: On French grave accents
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2171
Re: On French grave accents
Où ('where') vs. ou ('or'), obviously.
- Thu May 08, 2014 8:00 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Btw, I'm just wondering how far back these sC- roots go, and if in the end all sC- roots are caused by mobile-s, and pre-PIE had only a C(C)V(C)C root structure. Does anybody know what kind of root shapes Proto-Uralic had? At any rate, PU had no initial clusters (and no prefixes). Illich-Svitych's ...
- Wed May 07, 2014 6:32 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
A few questions: None of them is easy... 1) Does PIE have any roots of the form sC(C)V(C)C that *aren't* from s-mobile? Well, OK, there are tons of sC -roots (including very reliable ones, like 'stand' or 'snow') that haven't any attested forms without the s- (except in languages that regularly sim...
- Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:39 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
The centum-ness of Tocharian, however, is an oddity <...> Also, Anatolian. No, Centum as a valid grouping (genetic or areal) doesn't hold water. How could one possibly state that when the languages all show clear signs of laryngeals being there? I'm not Szemerényi and I don't know his arguments, bu...
- Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:30 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 888663
Re: Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)
Either way some things are apparent about the moon. - In order to cause total eclipses, the moon must be 4497 km across (4466 km for the latter case) at a bare minimum, probably more like 5000 km. This puts it in the league of Solar System objects like Callisto (4820 km), Mercury (4879 km), Titan (...
- Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:56 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang Reconstruction Game 2014: we have a forum
- Replies: 97
- Views: 38766
Re: Conlang Reconstruction Game 2014: we have a forum
This especially holds for team two, where there have been only 2-3 active members recently. This will certainly characterize me as an extremely light-minded and irresponsible person, given the amount of unfinished conlanging job on my hands... but anyway. If any shortage of manpower is felt with on...
- Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:24 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: CCC map voting - RESULTS ARE IN
- Replies: 71
- Views: 17817
Re: CCC map voting - THRU JAN 30
(A non-participant vote) I applied, chiefly, one criterion: diversity of potential migration routes and contact scenarios. Well, OK, it will also depend on rivers and climates, later on... Anyway, I got this: 1) Matrix (supposing that more relief will be added) 2) Qiqqit 3) Vidurnaktis 4) Lyra 5) To...
- Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:18 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
There is PIE/PCe *tisres > Gaulish tidres (Old Irish teoir) "three" (fem.) I guess that's close enough. Not really: as far as we can determine the <ð> of <tiðres> probably represented /ts/, not /θ/. However, Skr. tisrás = teoir (and cátasras = cetheoir ) doesn't (don't) seem to point to a * ts . Wh...
- Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:13 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
There is PIE/PCe *tisres > Gaulish tidres (Old Irish teoir) "three" (fem.) I guess that's close enough. Not really: as far as we can determine the <ð> of <tiðres> probably represented /ts/, not /θ/. However, Skr. tisrás = teoir (and cátasras = cetheoir ) doesn't (don't) seem to point to a * ts .
- Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:02 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Phonemic /əɪ/ in Inland North outside of /t d/-flapping?
- Replies: 13
- Views: 2832
- Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:42 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Drydic: ah, OK then.
Tropylium: ... → *-vr- → -br- does not seem to imply that all other b's were *v before the last change. Strictly speaking.
Tropylium: ... → *-vr- → -br- does not seem to imply that all other b's were *v before the last change. Strictly speaking.
- Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:20 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Which "such"? Verner's law is about the f T x -> B D G change (word-internally). More specifically, it's about a subset of exceptions to that change. Also, the change (with the exceptions) arguably wasn't Proto-Germanic, although it was/is common Germanic. PGerm f T x have very little to do with the...
- Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:57 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Verner's law didn't apply to this series. I am sorry.Nessari wrote:<...> the PIE plain voiced series (excepting cases where Verner's Law applied) devoiced to p t k kʷ.
- Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:00 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The North Caucasic Thread
- Replies: 13
- Views: 3582
Re: The North Caucasic Thread
Nikolayev & Starostin, A North Caucasian Etymological Dictionary (aka NCED): Preface
(The attempted reconstruction)
(The attempted reconstruction)
- Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:51 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 453415
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- He argues that the occurrence of Grassman's Law in both Greek and Sanskrit shows that it was originally a PIE thing, not a separate and identical innovation. I don't know when I'll have time to read the paper, but does he say anything on why the outcomes of Grassmann are different in Greek and Sa...
- Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:08 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European grammar
- Replies: 70
- Views: 25410
Re: How to design a non-European grammar
Also.... - topic and focus expressed by intonation and word order, not particles or affixes no problem Frankly, I'd throw this away. It confuses several things. Topic (vs. focus) in information structure is not precisely the same thing as topic in topic-prominent languages; it's the latter ilk that ...
- Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:32 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to design a non-European grammar
- Replies: 70
- Views: 25410
Re: How to design a non-European grammar
- subject person affixes as strict agreement markers, i.e. the verb is inflected for person and number of the subject, but subject pronouns may not be dropped even when this would be unambiguous no problem But isn't this a minority option in Europe? Most Romance, most Slavic, Greek etc. drop pronou...
- Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:28 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Haedus SCA - Bugfix (01/24)
- Replies: 62
- Views: 22086
Re: Haedus Toolbox SCA
In my experience, negative categories (and a couple operators enabling the user to merge/subtract categories) are extremely useful. Things like "^V-´" ("neither vowel nor accent mark") appear in, like, every second line in my SC's. I'm not totally comfortable with doing this myself. I just tend to ...
- Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:19 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 851541
Re: Romanization challenge thread
Yes, that was wittyGrunnen wrote:<n g>
<kb q k>
- Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:37 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: English as Fusion of French and Anglic
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11846
Re: English as Fusion of French and Anglic
About humans being lobe-finned fish?ObsequiousNewt wrote:That is what the thread was originally about...
- Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:33 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 851541
Re: Romanization challenge thread
Cute Africanish: Consonants: /ŋ͡m m n ŋ/ gm m n ng /k͡pʰ k͡p pʰ p tʰ t t͡sʰ t͡s kʰ k/ kp gb p b t d c z k g /xʷ s x l w/ hw s h l w Also, /ŋk/ n'g (assuming /nk/ does not exist) Vowels: /a e i o u/ a e i o u Example /k͡paxa toneŋa pasula t͡sʰowa. ntisi ŋke kʰawalo mena xa xʷolamane. tʰinu sama se t͡...