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by Sleinad Flar
Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:08 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Etymological Dictionaries
Replies: 5
Views: 1838

Re: Etymological Dictionaries

http://appliedfreesciencelibraryguide.com got a few, at least Matasovic (proto-Celtic), Orel (Albanian, Germanic), Lubotsky (Hittite), Lehmann (Gothic), Mayrhofen (Sanskrit), Martirosyan (Armenian) etc. Just type "etymological" in the search bar and let the magic happen... (IIRC It used to have De V...
by Sleinad Flar
Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:17 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

This suggests assimilation for the Sanskrit form (*sáṣ > ṣáṣ), and argues that the Proto-Indic form lost the /w/ due to analogy with *sapta "seven". I don't know about the Slavic forms though. This author doesn't count "six" among the *ksw-words.
by Sleinad Flar
Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:08 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Can you tell me what this says (Greek)?
Replies: 7
Views: 2581

Re: Can you tell me what this says (Greek)?

BTW, googling Σηαῦτον only gives seven hits, and six of them are to Freemasonry pages (the seventh is a nonsense Greek page). But surprisingly, all of them point to Γνωθι Σηαυτον, and none to Γιγνωσκη Σηαῦτον. The latter expression doesn't give any hits. By contrast, γιγνωσκε σεαυτόν gives 10,000 hi...
by Sleinad Flar
Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:42 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Can you tell me what this says (Greek)?
Replies: 7
Views: 2581

Re: Can you tell me what this says (Greek)?

γιγνώσκῃ is the 3s subjunctive (saith Wiktionary), so perhaps it's intended to be "may he know himself". I did consider that, but 1. the iota-subscript is not written, 2. σεαυτόν should have an epsilon instead of an eta as well and 3. the 3rd person reflexive is ἑαυτόν, so third person reference is...
by Sleinad Flar
Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:43 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Can you tell me what this says (Greek)?
Replies: 7
Views: 2581

Re: Can you tell me what this says (Greek)?

Well, the actual present indicative to the aorist imperative γνῶθι is γιγνώσκω, so they got that part right. But I wonder why there are etas instead of epsilons in both words. Maybe another dialect than Attic? Or just a mistake? (γίγνομαι is another verb BTW, with the meaning 'to be born, come into ...
by Sleinad Flar
Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:47 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

A survey of my reference material turned up one Old English verb with a preterite even remotely approaching the one you gave, hēawan 'strike; chop', with a preterite hēow . However, no Tocharian śauw- turned up when I looked through IE verbs from the root. Please cite words properly in the future. ...
by Sleinad Flar
Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:11 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

@hwhatting: I can only respond on the Old Avestan forms for now, and I'm following Skjærvø's Old Avestan Primer here: 1. According to him, *-ǝ̄ṇg comes from proto-Avestan *-anh, but he sadly doesn't go further back, so there's no way of telling (yet) if this comes from *-ems or *-ens. 2. More import...
by Sleinad Flar
Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:37 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

EDIT: In reply to Sal: It is, but I was jesting (hence the emoticon). OTOH, a lot of reconstructions leave out and as independent phonemes (they're usually described as allophones of /j/ and /w/), and [i:] and [u:] are usually explained as post-PIE developments of *iH and *uH. Outside of those accus...
by Sleinad Flar
Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:37 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

I was about to write a rebuttal to hwhatting's excellent points, but then I had a change of heart. In fact, the proposals as stated here could work: 1a. Szemér's law is often stated as *-VRs > *-V:R, but this isn't entirely correct: it also applies to the sequence *-Vss > *-V:s. A similar sound-law ...
by Sleinad Flar
Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:55 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

I can't think of any either, and even worse than that: proterokinetic n-stems and r/n-stems had genitives in *-en-s, as evidenced by Avestan and Old Irish examples.
by Sleinad Flar
Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:41 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

I don't agree with R. Rusanov's proposal, because that would mean that the change -ms to -ns would be rather late (at least operating after Szemerényi's law, and also after *dheg'hōm was supposedly formed by analogy). But the ending -ns is actually irregular and very persistent (one would expect the...
by Sleinad Flar
Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:48 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Yes, http://www.uz-translations.net/ has got it. Just search for "Beekes" and it'll show up. You need to log in to see the download link. However, I cannot guarantee that the link is still working (it's been a while since I got it there).
by Sleinad Flar
Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:11 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

True, in late PIE this simple rule applies to the i-stems. Even in the gen. sg., as in the Hittite i-stem adjective declension this is -as < *-ayas < *-ey-os. In post-Anatolian PIE this has for some reason been shortened to *-ey-s.
by Sleinad Flar
Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:20 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: List of SCs from PIE to Latin
Replies: 12
Views: 3713

Re: List of SCs from PIE to Latin

.... or you could just go to the Correspondence Library in the L&L Museum on this very site

{Ctrl+F "PIE > Latin".}
by Sleinad Flar
Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:04 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: List of SCs from PIE to Latin
Replies: 12
Views: 3713

Re: List of SCs from PIE to Latin

That is just an erratum on Terra's part; it should be: 1.4 PIE *Tt > *t s t (and *-dd h - > *-d z d-?) (At least in my copy of De Vaan). And yes, it is common consensus that this sound change already took place in PIE itself. As for the OP, Michael Weiss has written a book called "Outline of the His...
by Sleinad Flar
Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:31 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Because /i/ and /u/ were able to carry the accent. :-) A more serious answer: because the reconstructed i- and u-stem forms are a mixture of different ablaut paradigms: only the singular (except instrumental) forms point to a PK pattern, the plural (except nominative and possibly accusative) forms p...
by Sleinad Flar
Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:34 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Nope, Doric Greek still retains -ti-, but has shifted kw > p,t. Besides, /t/ doesn't shift before /e/ and /e:/, while /kw/ does (to /t/ that is, not to /p/).
by Sleinad Flar
Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:57 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Is /kʷ/ > /t/ really palatalisation, or just an unusual phoneme filling a massive hole in the distribution of a typlogically common one? There is corroborating evidence for a shift *c > /t/ between Proto-Greek and Classical Greek, such as *pj > *pc > /pt/ and *kj > *cc > /tt/ ~ /ss/. I'm not sure w...
by Sleinad Flar
Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:56 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

I've just read this article by Melchert, which reviews the Luwian and Lycian evidence for three dorsal stops. His conclusion is pretty remarkable: The unconditioned three-way contrast I claimed in 1989 for the voiceless dorsals in Luvian and Lycian is to be rejected. Luvo-Lycian is rather the “mirro...
by Sleinad Flar
Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:43 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Not to be blunt, but what is this stuff about creoles doing in the PIE thread? Can that discussion be continued in another thread, please?

@KathAveara: sorry for calling you Kathy, I assure you that was just in jest. I'll respond to your remarks later, because the idea is rather intriguing.
by Sleinad Flar
Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:27 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Nonononono, Kathy. Post-Mycenaean Greek shows the same weird development as Albanian: Labiovelars are palatized before front vowels, while plain velars aren't. The main POA of Mycenaean would have been the same, wouldn't it (k and k w ). Besides, doesn't k' > k also occur before other sonorants in A...
by Sleinad Flar
Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:35 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Dorsal + velar clusters outside of morpheme boundaries are rare anyway (heck, double plosives within morphemes are rare in general), and ATM I can only think of two cases ("eight" and "night"), so you can't avoid looking at morpheme boundaries. Even the eight-word looks like a morpheme boundary to m...
by Sleinad Flar
Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:05 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Velars distinct from palatovelars is kind of the definition of Satem. Centum: velars merge with palatovelars, labiovelars distinct and satem: velars merge with labiovelars, palatovelars distinct. Albanian is satem (k' > ts > th, k (w) > k), and Orel does show that, but apparently the merger of k and...
by Sleinad Flar
Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:02 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

What I find even more vexing is that one of the four user comments on the AH article that's singled out as a "New York Times Pick" is from one "Turkoglu," who asserts that "Anatolia" is a recent term and that the whole region should be called the "Armenian Highlands," that Armenian is Proto-Indo-Eu...
by Sleinad Flar
Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:58 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448381

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

I'm a bit more positive on Kiparsky and quite like his compositional approach in comparison with Schindler's paradigmatic approach. His de-coupling of accent and ablaut explains stuff like accented zero grades, which are basically left unexplained in Schindler's model. However, I don't share his con...