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by spats
Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:41 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Very detailed map of the North American dialects of English
Replies: 50
Views: 8243

Re: Very detailed map of the North American dialects of Engl

Interesting that - so this is almost like a nonce phonemic distinction here, it seems. It kinda is. I could't think of anything to rhyme with 'on.' My bet is it's what Nort said, but I'm not sure about /u/ as the start of the diphthong. Here's the recording. So you can clear up what the hell I'm sa...
by spats
Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:59 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Very detailed map of the North American dialects of English
Replies: 50
Views: 8243

Re: Very detailed map of the North American dialects of Engl

well, [EU] In parts. North Carolina, definitely. The nucleus is a bit more central in other places, but still more fronted than, say in British English. Um, British English has quite a lot of variation in this vowel, perhaps even more than American English, since among other things we have fronted ...
by spats
Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:07 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Very detailed map of the North American dialects of English
Replies: 50
Views: 8243

Re: Very detailed map of the North American dialects of Engl

Nortaneous wrote:well, [EU]
In parts. North Carolina, definitely.

The nucleus is a bit more central in other places, but still more fronted than, say in British English.
by spats
Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:18 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Room Ticket
Replies: 52
Views: 9164

Re: Room Ticket

Im lower middle class and living in a house like that right now. Come to rural New England where housing is cheap because people dont wanna live in the countryside and deal with the six months of snow. Also there are places with housing much cheaper than here. My aunt and uncle in Minnesota got a p...
by spats
Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:51 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Room Ticket
Replies: 52
Views: 9164

Re: Room Ticket

A1: (guest) bedroom A2: laundry room (a "mudroom" would be similar, but likely with a utility sink and maybe a concrete floor, plus a door to the outside) A3: kitchen A4: living room ("great room" is a term only used by realtors) A5: dining room or dining area (could be "formal dining room" if it we...
by spats
Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:53 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Spanish Dialect question
Replies: 12
Views: 2357

Re: Spanish Dialect question

Are you sure she just didn't have a head cold ;) Japanese does the /g/-to-/N/-in-some-phonological-environments thing. A number of languages have prenasalized voiced plosives (see especially Bantu languages in Africa). Neither of these things are particularly remarkable. That she has them in Spanish...
by spats
Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:42 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Ye Olde Foreigne Languages
Replies: 40
Views: 8077

Re: Ye Olde Foreigne Languages

One thing I've been wondering: Voltaire and those old guys write étois for étais etc., was that just an old spelling convention, or was it actually pronounced /etwa/? It was pronounced /etwE/. My understanding is that there was a phonological split at some point and they respelled the /E/ version o...
by spats
Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:37 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Hop, skip, and jump mergers and splits
Replies: 7
Views: 1708

Re: Hop, skip, and jump mergers and splits

I think you see this more when there is a long-short contrast. For example, OE /a:/ went to modern /e(I)/, bypassing short /E/. Ancient Greek /E:/, /e:/ went to modern /i/, bypassing short /e/. Northern Cities AmE /{/ goes to /I@/, bypassing both /E/ and /I/ (which actually move in the other directi...
by spats
Thu May 19, 2011 12:15 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Making oldlike
Replies: 22
Views: 3225

Re: Making oldlike

The magic of back-formation. The original word: Archaic (AmE /arke(j)Ik/) (Note that the last vowel could be interpreted as /@/, realized as [1].) The "correct" formations: Archaism (AmE /arke(j)Ism/) *Archaize (AmE /arke(j)aIz/) Because of the odd hiatuses, it may be easier for some speakers to tak...
by spats
Tue May 17, 2011 10:20 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Early Modern English resources
Replies: 13
Views: 2513

Re: Early Modern English resources

Glanced through the section on grammar, and a couple of interesting things popped out: <ā/ai/ay> was allegedly distinct from <ē/ei/ea> was distinct from <ee/ea>, with <ea> being able to make either sound. <au> was an open back vowel, with both long and short <o> being more close The formal present t...
by spats
Wed May 04, 2011 12:22 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Some questions
Replies: 10
Views: 2239

Re: Some questions

It seems that the nasal in the negating prefix follows the POA of the next consonant - not always, but as a tendency. And it seems that when it is /m/, the vowel is always /i/, but when it's /n/, it's usually /u/. So I promote "uncivil" as the more logical. As for when the nasal is /ŋ/, I can think...
by spats
Tue May 03, 2011 2:53 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Cognate crossovers
Replies: 9
Views: 1720

Re: Cognate crossovers

I imagine an example can probably be found in the Indo-European plosive system somewhere, especially if we look all the way to modern reflexes. For example, PIE /p b b_h/ > Latin /p b f/ but Gothic /f p b/. And there you go: PIE /t/, /d/ > Proto-Germanic /T/~/D/, /t/ > Low West Germanic /d/, /t/, b...
by spats
Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:47 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Modern Japanese : Classical Japanese :: Modern English : ?
Replies: 23
Views: 5225

Re: Modern Japanese : Classical Japanese :: Modern English :

I very much doubt the vocabulary would have been available in authentic Middle Japanese, but the syntax is without a doubt classical. I'm not sure how this could be rendered in a fashion that is "clearly" old-fashioned. A translation into modern English goes like this: Alchemy is the science of com...
by spats
Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:41 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Modern Japanese : Classical Japanese :: Modern English : ?
Replies: 23
Views: 5225

Re: Modern Japanese : Classical Japanese :: Modern English :

Problem is, people often don't understand KJV-style language as well as they think they do: You get gotchas like the common misparsing of "wherefore" as "where", as well as the syntax of the word "nor", as shown in this fragment from a hymn ... Ah, but note that we're choosing this particular mode ...
by spats
Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:38 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Modern Japanese : Classical Japanese :: Modern English : ?
Replies: 23
Views: 5225

Re: Modern Japanese : Classical Japanese :: Modern English :

I'd go with KJV-esque Early Modern English rendering, because what you're trying to get across seems to be the "feel" rather than some sort of absolute historic context. If it's in the context of a story where the characters are supposed to have some difficulty reading or understanding it, I would g...
by spats
Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:18 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Phonemic distinction labialized/rounded environments
Replies: 14
Views: 2892

Re: Phonemic distinction labialized/rounded environments

Bedelato wrote:By certain accounts, Proto-Indo-European had a (marginal?) contrast between *kw and *kʷ.
Isn't it actually between *ḱw and *kʷ?

In which case, you're talking about two different stops, one of which could coarticulate phonemically and one of which could not.
by spats
Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:06 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: You
Replies: 111
Views: 20799

Re: You

Regarding the innovation of new 2P pronouns in English: There are two "stages" if you will. In the first, a substitute like "you guys" is brought in, but only used for clarification - i.e. when using "you" would be ambiguous, or when emphasizing that s/he is talking to a whole group, and the usage m...
by spats
Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:13 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: A few US city pronunciation questions
Replies: 52
Views: 9491

Re: A few US city pronunciation questions

Regarding Worcester, MA: it's /wUst@r/, realized [wUst@] in local dialect. Somebody needs to teach the idiots at Wikipedia the difference between phonemes and phones. Regarding Coeur d'Alene, ID, many Americans don't distinguish between /Or/ and /ur/. I don't except in careful speech. So you could p...
by spats
Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:05 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Sounds That You Can/Can't Pronounce Easily
Replies: 322
Views: 63085

Re: Sounds That You Can/Can't Pronounce Easily

In Japanese, /i u/ have voiceless allophones when in low-pitch syllables and when not adjacent to a voiced consonant. (And frankly, you can just say the word as if the voiceless vowel isn't there: [de̞ɕta] isn't much different from [de̞ɕi̥ta]) If you say the normal vowel, you'll just sound funny. (...
by spats
Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:09 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Yet Another English Spelling Reform Thread
Replies: 117
Views: 27616

Re: Yet Another English Spelling Reform Thread

I view English spelling as a little like Hanzi with better phonetic cues. It doesn't need significant spelling reform, and pursuing reform would effectively fragment the language.
by spats
Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:33 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Multi-Person Possession in English
Replies: 45
Views: 8163

Re: Multi-Person Possession in English

I think you could make an argument for the following: "my and my sister's car" Those might be the rules for formal English, but natural spoken English doesn't follow the last rule anymore. As was mentioned in another thread, it seems that the distinction between I/me is not so much one of case but ...
by spats
Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:51 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Multi-Person Possession in English
Replies: 45
Views: 8163

Re: Multi-Person Possession in English

I think it would be grammatically correct to say My sister and I's car , since -'s is only a clitic, and and modifies the whole phrase. (Compare Adam and Jamie's car ). Except that the "correct" rule for pronoun agreement in conjunctions is whatever case the phrase is in. What is the appropriate ca...
by spats
Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:03 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Multi-Person Possession in English
Replies: 45
Views: 8163

Re: Multi-Person Possession in English

I should add another possibility here, for a similar language but with old Latin "-que"-style conjunction: 1PS.GEN-CONJ 1PS.GEN sister-GEN-CONJ car-NOM "my-and my sister's-and car" Or combining both nominal+adjectival declension and this approach: 1PS.GEN-N.NOM-CONJ 1PS.GEN[-F.GEN] sister-F.GEN-N.NO...
by spats
Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:56 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Multi-Person Possession in English
Replies: 45
Views: 8163

Re: Multi-Person Possession in English

"Bilen min og søstra mis" bil-en min og søstr-a mi-s car-DEF my.MASC and sister-DEF my.FEM-POSS "The car my and my sister's" I don't speak Icelandic, but Björk's Medúlla album has a very pretty song called "Vökuró" which uses this same construction a couple of times: "bærinn minn og þinn" (my farm ...
by spats
Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:56 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: What do you lexicalise in your motion verbs?
Replies: 52
Views: 11128

Re: What do you lexicalise in your motion verbs?

The most daunting realization I had during that lecture was that this is only one single lexical field, but these kind of distinctions exist for every possible thing you can think of. Not calquing your native language to some extent is more or less impossible, or else you'll never get your language...