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I just stumbled on this http://lingvist.info/ I don't know if it's been linked before but seems interesting. Anyone know anything about it?

Language death doesn't happen in a vacuum and while only weak linguistic relativity is real, the dynamics that cause language death are the same that causes cultures to die more or less. Languages don't usually die without some external pressure. They die due to political and economic pressures/oppr...

Nope it's a descendent of Sumerian. I have a couple posts in the works soon. I more or less am ready to post a section on nouns and then will post on phonology and the sound changes. I have some updates to make on my previous posts as well. o_O wow kudos to you for choosing to work with something t...

Looks really cool, definitely looking forward to future posts! I like the flavor of the language ^ Seconded - the phonology flows together really well. Iru-ī-qarawa contains two loans from Persian, the connector ī and the word qarak which is from the middle persian kadag meaning "house". Tari(k) is...

Do you have a finalised phonology? I can deduce some parts of it (Three-vowel + length, multiple oral fricatives, lack of a voicing distinction), but I'd like to be sure before we move onto case. I'm ironing out just one or two sound changes and don't want to post a phonology just yet. These change...

I like the flavor of the language. Is it Indo-European, or does it simply have that feel from Iranian loanwards? Iru-ī-qarawa contains two loans from Persian, the connector ī and the word qarak which is from the middle persian kadag meaning "house". Tari(k) is also a loan from persian. Yusīf is bor...

This is my first post in a long time and I hope to return to Proto-Karasuk in the near future and this language exists in the same timeline as Proto Karasuk. Introduction Unthahian ( Imi Ũθa’a , Ũθa’-ī-imi ) was spoken from around 500BC to ~300AD. The Untha were original farmers and herders to the n...

Also, Neek, I look forward to seeing some of your stuff, when you are ready to put it up!

Well, I'm interested and waiting for more. The best I can say is that Thank you, Vortex, though for inspiring me to work on my own. You're right though. Those tables are a pain in the ass, and an interesting choice for a substrate. Considering how far east of a region where the language is being sp...

Just wanted to stop in quickly to let you all know I'm still working on this. I just have stuff with school and grad apps that are kinda slowing my work. Plus putting all these paradigms up here was a massive pain, so I had to take a break. I'm kinda fiddling around the verbs a bit right now. My pla...

Alright, I'm not sure if this is right for this subform, but while on twitter I found this article http://www.calicorockmennonite.org/2014/10/02/a-nonviolent-uprising/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost . At first I didn't notice anything weird about it, but after a couple seconds of look at it. It dawn on me...

my Proto-Karasuk word for she-wolfe ōrčī kinda like looks like Orc.

Nortaneous wrote:n > r happened in Albanian

yeah and some varieties of american english turn /n/ into a nasalized tap in some positions, so one can see that a reasonable intermediate to justify such a sound change even without the albanian example

Aili Meilani wrote:ŋ n r → n r l
Plausible?

I think flip flopping the last two is more realistic (n <> l and l > r changes are decently common i think), but I dont think there is anything inherently bad with what you propose

Is this ok? (context surrounded by languages with front back and rounded unrounded vowel harmony) Stage 1: I/U umlaut u, o, ə, a > y ø e æ / _Cj, _Ci[-stress] i, e, a > ɨ, ə, o / _Cw, _Cu[-stress] plus collapse of Glide+vowel word initially, so wa > o wi > y we > ø ju > y jo > ø ja > æ (might extend...

Hathe tosoatu [tozoʔə̥tu̥] Proto-Karasuk tazaətubyáka [ta.za.ə.tu.bjá.ka]
Hathe koro [koro] Proto-Karasuk karaiti [ká.raj.ti]
Hathe kauvathe [kaʔuwaðə] Proto-Karasuk kawada [ká.wa.da]
Hathe toutèsani [toʔu̥tə̥saɲi][/quote] Proto-Karasuk tautsani [táut.sa.ni]

Yèwèdu ṣhap [ʂʰap] :> Kandurian tšap [cap] :> Proto-Karasuk čaftárah [tʃaf.tá.rah] Yèwèdu haṛā [ɦaˈɻaː] :> Kandurian ə̄lō [ʕəlɔː] :> Proto-Karasuk ə̄́rawah [ə́:.ra.wah] Yèwèdu neẓûbì [n̪ɛʐṳːˈbi̤] :> Kandurian nedūṗi [nɛzʊːɓɪ] :> Proto-Karasuk nyazū́bbi [nja.zú:v.bi] Yèwèdu ṭhaňì [ʈʰaˈɲi̤] :> Kanduri...

@Ryan of Tinellb, I think this occurs most when people run the changes through their language derivations, and forget to tack on new syllables as might be appropriate to their language. Monosyllables have only so much variation. sorry about that Orthographic :> Hrindarat /,or.sog.'ra.p j ek/ :> Pro...

So, I've been looking at the nominal paradigms from across PIE, and the notion that traditional PIE draws far more on Sanskrit than the other langs is heavily reinforced. I mean, I can't find a parallel to IIr. loc. pl. -su on which to base a PIE reconstruction. Ancient Greek (I can't tell you whic...

Nouns continued U/I Stems These nouns can be any of the genders, the accent-ablaut patterns have been regularized to being proterokinetic. Some of the words of this class are loan words from Proto-Samoyedic. These have an underlying *-əi- or *-əu- instead of *-ai- or *-au- . I-stem ` U-stem sing plu...

Alright so I did some more research and it seems like (even though this is partially disputed by some people on the board) that the creation of voiceless aspirates took place on the Proto-Indo-Iranian level. Now my Proto-Karasuk is spoken by Proto-Samoyedic speakers (and maybe the altaic languages a...

Early Central mjaðesh [ˈmjaːðɛʃ] :> Yèwèdu dès [d̪ɛ̤s̪] :> Proto-Karasuk dəh [dəh] Early Central ðjalesh [ˈðjaːlɛʃ] :> Yèwèdu žès [ʒɛ̤s̪] :> Proto-Karasuk žəh [ʒəh] Early Central tiðesh [ˈtiːdɛʃ] :> Yèwèdu ḍès [ɖɛ̤s̪] :> Proto-Karasuk dəh [dəh] Early Central mjaðevoh [ˈmjaːðɛvɔx] :> Yèwèdu dèwèš [d̪...

Ablaut Before I continue onto the athematic stems, I need to talk about ablaut. I have not finalized the specifics of the system, but I plan on having function similar to vedic sanskrit for the most part (unless I find anything on the iranian ablaut system that makes me want to make changes). Like ...

The Iranian Languages has some good information on Proto-Indo-Iranian along with the Iranian languages so that might be useful to this thread. There is also a book about the Indo-Iranians that I can post a link to if anyone is interested. @OP: Great thread idea. This might produce some useful thing...

KathAveara wrote:How's i i: > e i?

Didn't that happen pretty frequently in romance languages