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by Wiseblood
Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:14 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Generally, the language is completely intolerant of word-final consonant clusters in native words, but the 2sg fem form of the past tense is formed with the ending -t, which usually ends up forming a cluster. Out of curiosity, what happens when you apply a suffix pronoun to the verb? I know we avoi...
by Wiseblood
Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:26 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Hi all. Sorry Tom, I got your PM some time ago, but Real Life TM interfered with me coming here sooner. There is so much written now that I'll probably need to re-read everything a few times to fully form some useful answers. In any case, I figure I'll just go through and touch on some points that s...
by Wiseblood
Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:59 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Hey, sorry for the delay. School's started again, so I haven't got a great deal of time. No worries,as I'm quite late getting back to you now. I'm actually just now returning to school after three or four years away. I think I'd actually forgotten what a bump and grind it could be. :-( How's the Ar...
by Wiseblood
Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:13 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

On the uses of the Accusative: Actually, the only cases that really look exotic from an Indo-European point of view are the uses for the predicate, the one for the emphatic subject, and the use after certain numerals. Except for those, you'd find similar uses of the accusative to what you listed in...
by Wiseblood
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:57 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

I was wondering when I'd reach the post-length-limit. I guess I just found out. :-) "Notebook", however, probably would not use this pattern. It's a thing, not a person. The word in Hebrew is machberet, derived from the root ChBR ... Heh, one of the more common words for "notebook" in Arabic دفتر /d...
by Wiseblood
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:43 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Cornelius: There's quite a strong analogy "shielding" the patterns from sound change; a conditioned change would either be treated as allophony or revert back by analogy. Some conditioned changes like Hebrew lenition get through iirc because they don't merge many roots. Intervocalic voicing of voic...
by Wiseblood
Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:36 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Fair enough - the mere fact that the MSA languages still survive while the areas where OSA languages were most prominently spoken have been arabicised is proof of a certain resilience against Arabic influence. MSA and Ethiopian Semitic are very interesting to me, as they both show how much Semitic ...
by Wiseblood
Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:04 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Not that I know of. That's productive at least - I used the example of בודהיזם budhizm earlier, but that's borrowing the word, not the morphology. This got me to thinking about how we tend to naturalize foreign words in Arabic. As an example, the Classical Arabic word for "orange" (the fruit) is بر...
by Wiseblood
Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:10 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Ana barif. Inta bta3raf? Mumtaz! ;-) I was not talking about them being from the same branch, I was talking about them being geographical neighbours. You tackle that: I have to admit that as I was typing all that, I thought to myself, "am I insulting his intelligence?". Clearly I was, my apologies....
by Wiseblood
Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:04 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Wouldn't the Southern Arabic languages have been in constant contact with Arabic? Yes and no. Firstly, the South Arabian languages aren't Arabic at all, but rather are more closely related to the Ethiopian Semitic languages (Ge'ez, Amharic, Chaha). I could go into a huge tangent about the classific...
by Wiseblood
Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:29 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Sorry about taking so long to reply - RealLifeTM has kept me away. (Well, I didn't actually mean those two forms were the closest - I'm just saying hitpa`el does the same thing) Fair enough. It's actually pretty interesting how etymologically different forms can take on similar semantic roles. Actua...
by Wiseblood
Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:37 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Heh, I can't say I'm surprised there. The same form in Hebrew (the reflexive hitpa`el) is also used to mean "imitate": Interesting, although I believe a better cognate form in Arabic would be istafʕala , with the consonant cluster stoping the change /s/ > /h/. Actually, the whole /s/ > /h/ change i...
by Wiseblood
Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:53 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Well, my actual location is Beirut - I'm changing locations relatively often due to work, and I'm just too lazy to change my board profile. I'm learning MSA from a book - the German edition of the Arabic text book from the French (insert language) sans peine series. Also Lebanese by picking up thin...
by Wiseblood
Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:23 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Maknas, Wiseblood, A very fascinating discussion, epecially for someone like me who has only started to learn a Semitic language (Arabic). Keep it up, and don't worry about the length of your posts! Thanks! I noticed that you list your location as being in Germany; this is quite funny, because Mode...
by Wiseblood
Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:25 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Uh, sure. Here are just some googled examples: :headdesk: I should have thought of this earlier, as I did notice the feminine endings on the earlier examples. What really cinched it was your discussion of the Hebrew infinitive. The Arabic "Gerundive"/"Verbal Noun" doesn't correspond to the Hebrew g...
by Wiseblood
Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:40 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

OK... I'm going to resist the urge to further discuss comparative Semetic with Maknas for the time being (believe me, it's hard), and actually post on Arabic derivational morphology. Maknas has explained most of theory behind this earlier on, so I'll try not to reduplicate his efforts here too much....
by Wiseblood
Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:21 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

OK, that makes sense - I don't really speak Lebanese; though I knew 'albi (it is probably the second most frequent word one hears in Lebanese songs after habibi Wink ), I didn't know that the simple form would be 'alib. Congratulations, you are now qualified to write lyrics for any singer in the mi...
by Wiseblood
Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:18 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Ah, welcome, Wiseblood! It's great to see someone who can contribute a lot of information about Arabic. Your posts so far have been very interesting! Thanks - it's good to know people are interested. :-) No, no, it's perfectly fine. Like I said, I didn't go and look up the proto-forms because I did...
by Wiseblood
Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:03 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Oh, btw hwhatting, you're absolutely right about the stem change. A simple paradigm. 'alib "heart" 'albī "my heart" 'albinā "our heart" 'albu-kalib "a dog's heart" 'albi-kkalib "the dog's heart" 'albu-kātibi-l-muntada il-intirnāti' "the heart of the internet forum poster" Bare in mind this can vary ...
by Wiseblood
Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:38 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

I'd be interested in that Alright, here goes. What I'm going to do is look over Maknas' posts and draw parallels between Hebrew and Arabic derivational forms. I've used both IPA and Latin extended characters here; if anyone can't see them or sees an obnoxious amount of question marks, let me know, ...
by Wiseblood
Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:25 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

They shouldn't. A lot of fonts don't have any of the underdotted consonants, so might just want to use combining diacratics for those. (great post btw) Thanks. I have to admit that ASCIIPA breaks my brain. Which one is that? (from your example, it doesn't look like Lebanese - the only dialect I kno...
by Wiseblood
Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:01 am
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Triconsonantal Root Systems
Replies: 201
Views: 102559

Okay, first post here - I found this topic so interesting that I had to get an account to participate. First off, Maknas, thank you for a truly interesting discussion/analysis of Hebrew morphology (I found the software and disease examples particularly interesting). I've always been aware of the fac...