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- Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:40 am
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: The dream thread
- Replies: 1807
- Views: 366050
Re: The dream thread
A few nights ago, I dreamt about the finding of an ivory statuette with an Old Albic inscription near my birthplace (which is in Germany), with controversies about whether it was genuine or not. Only after waking up , I noticed that it would have been found in a place where Old Albic never was spok...
- Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:54 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Languages with Nouns/Adjectives/Verbs of ONLY Two+ Syllables
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3392
Re: Languages with Nouns/Adjectives/Verbs of ONLY Two+ Sylla
Aren't most reconstructed stems for Proto-Uralic bisyllabic. I can only remember a couple of monosyllabic roots, but most of the ones I've seen are two syllables long. Granted, though, Proto-Uralic reconstructions have a fairly limited lexicon, so that the best example ever.
- Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:21 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 529644
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
You can also break up text so that you don't have to reply to each point in one block of text at the end. Let's say that Jal's reply comes in 5 parts. You can then do the following: [quote="Jal"] Part 1 of Jal's response [/quote] Jouna's reply to part one [quote="Jal"] Part 2 of Jal's response [/quo...
- Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:13 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 529644
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
And let's have a practical example for a quick demonstration of what happens. This: [quote="Jal"] [quote="Jouna"] Something Jouna has written [/quote] Jal's response to the thing Jouna has written [/quote] Jouna's reply to Jal's reply Would become this: Something Jouna has written Jal's response to ...
- Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:32 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
It's common for them to change (I would think) but what are some things I can do with /θ/ and /ð/? Affricates. I came up with the idea of shifting them to /ts/ and /dz/, respectively, in a future English. That's definitely one of the cooler ideas I've seen. Did you first shift them to dental plosiv...
- Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:44 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
What are way to develop /m̥ n̥ ɹ̥ l̥/ that doesn't involve a complex intervocalic chain shift of /m: n: ɹ: l:/ > /m n ɹ l/ > /m̥ n̥ ɹ̥ l̥/? Simplication of Rh and hR clusters (as I recently mentioned over on the CBB). You could probably also get them from RP clusters where P is a voiceless plosives...
- Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:26 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 529644
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Now, you haven't done any of this yet, but I've seen many threads that started off sane that quickly descended into madness (Octavanio and AshMoonFruit come to mind), so I'm just anticipating what I hope doesn't happen again. Oh god, Octaviano was awful (as was Tienzen Gong if he appeared here as w...
- Sat May 23, 2015 1:04 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 976218
Re: Romanization challenge thread
Amele /b t d k ɡ ɡ͡b ʔ/ < b t d k g gb q > /m n/ < m n > /f s h/ < f s h > /l j w/ < l y w > /i ɛ æ ɔ u/ < i e a o u > Iya yeh saɡboqnu, bal saiɡen. Dana aɡe wele, haiden saenna odi odoin. Maha hewimeiɡ, qabioɡbaɡannu ɡadaq mihedumeiɡ, qaya siɡin unani adoloiɡ. Qaya siɡin qunuɡ ɡabandoqobil, dana m...
- Thu May 21, 2015 5:08 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Peculiar grammatical features in communication
- Replies: 13
- Views: 4307
Re: Peculiar grammatical features in communication
Mithun (1999). "Special Language. p. 275 of Mithun, Marianne (1999). The Languages of Native North America. Cambridge University Press. The same source then goes on to describe changes in "voice qualities" when quoting legendary characters in stories, such as Deer replacing all sibilants with later...
- Wed May 20, 2015 9:47 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Peculiar grammatical features in communication
- Replies: 13
- Views: 4307
Re: Peculiar grammatical features in communication
This is very much an instance of [citation needed] Mithun (1999). "Special Language. p. 275 of Mithun, Marianne (1999). The Languages of Native North America. Cambridge University Press. The same source then goes on to describe changes in "voice qualities" when quoting legendary characters in stori...
- Sat May 16, 2015 11:53 am
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, sir?)
- Replies: 5496
- Views: 906370
Re: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, s
This is the most recent photo of myself (...) I've not had a haircut in 2 years and I've done nothing but trim my facial hair in 18 months, i.e. I do not shave. Wow, dude, nice hair! You look like that dude in that hair commercial :). If only. I've still got another year or two until I reach that l...
- Sat May 09, 2015 7:10 pm
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, sir?)
- Replies: 5496
- Views: 906370
Re: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, s
This is the most recent photo of myself:
I've not had a haircut in 2 years and I've done nothing but trim my facial hair in 18 months, i.e. I do not shave.
I've not had a haircut in 2 years and I've done nothing but trim my facial hair in 18 months, i.e. I do not shave.
- Sat May 02, 2015 7:13 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I can't entirely remember if I've asked this before, and it doesn't turn up in search results, but would the following sound changes be plausible: DVN (where D is a voiced plosive N is a nasal coda and V is a vowel) > DV~D > DV~D > NV~D > NVD ...? I'd assume that if this is plausible, then N>D betwe...
- Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:42 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 976218
Re: Romanization challenge thread
Hixkaryana
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d tʃ ɟ k/ <p b t d c j k>
/ɸ s ʃ h/ <f s x h>
/ɾ ɽˡ/ <r l>
/j w/ <y w>
/e ɯ u ɔ æ/ <e i u o a>
/bɯɽˡekɔmɔ jɔtæhæhɔnɔ wɔsɯ tɯɲɔ wjæ/
<Bilekomo yotahahono wosi tiño wya>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d tʃ ɟ k/ <p b t d c j k>
/ɸ s ʃ h/ <f s x h>
/ɾ ɽˡ/ <r l>
/j w/ <y w>
/e ɯ u ɔ æ/ <e i u o a>
/bɯɽˡekɔmɔ jɔtæhæhɔnɔ wɔsɯ tɯɲɔ wjæ/
<Bilekomo yotahahono wosi tiño wya>
- Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:43 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Voicing and frication of /q/, voicing of the voiceless uvular fricative or backing of the voiced velar fricative?אקֿמך ארש-הגִנו wrote:Looking for other ideas and ideas regarding the uvular voiced fricative (which is not to be derived from the uvular trill)
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:36 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
The phonemes won't merge, but these voiceless alveolar plosive will become voiced. tuzhal :> duzhal "to divide into six" duzhal "to fear" They are homonyms now. So not within the same language, but across related languages/dialects (as we presented)? Is that within the definition of homophony? Homo...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:24 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
[ Fair enough, but I don't think that changes what I said here , albeit replacing uvularised > voiceless to uvularised > voiced. The chain shift was only proposed as a way of derived pre-nasalised plosives. Of course, just that there will be a merge of the d-zh family with the now voiced t-zh famil...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:40 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I mentioned this over on the CBB, the chain shift might end with pre-nasalised stops, but only Vrkazhian voiced stops resulted in Mukhebic pre-nasalised voiced stops. Mukhebic voiced stops would come from Vrkhazhian voiceless stops (and possibly Vrkhazhian uvularised stops depending on whether you ...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:32 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I mentioned this over on the CBB, the chain shift might end with pre-nasalised stops, but only Vrkazhian voiced stops resulted in Mukhebic pre-nasalised voiced stops. Mukhebic voiced stops would come from Vrkhazhian voiceless stops (and possibly Vrkhazhian uvularised stops depending on whether you ...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:25 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Well, I expect unintelligiblility. I imagined that the intelligibility between the two dialects would be like Spanish and Portuguese? Similar enough, that with a bit of learning, to be easy to understand, but different enough that the two dialects aren't like British and American. Something like so...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:09 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I don't think it's going to affect your triconsonantal system too much (just look at palatalisation in the Semitic languages of Ethiopia or the loss of /n/ in certain verb forms in Hebrew. It causes a change in some parts of the system, but it works more or less the same way it did before. A chain ...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:27 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I don't think it's going to affect your triconsonantal system too much (just look at palatalisation in the Semitic languages of Ethiopia or the loss of /n/ in certain verb forms in Hebrew. It causes a change in some parts of the system, but it works more or less the same way it did before. A chain ...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:25 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
How plausible is an unconditional shift of [h] to [ʔ]? I think Nort has said that this might not be entirely plausible (I seem to remember asking about lenition once, and this may have been his response). Honestly, myself, I don't know, but I thought I'd point out a possible source of information :)
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:17 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 704652
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I don't think it's going to affect your triconsonantal system too much (just look at palatalisation in the Semitic languages of Ethiopia or the loss of /n/ in certain verb forms in Hebrew. It causes a change in some parts of the system, but it works more or less the same way it did before. A chain s...
- Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:27 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Where does /tɬ/ in Icelandic come from?
- Replies: 66
- Views: 14437
Re: Where does /tɬ/ in Icelandic come from?
Just to bring this slightly back on topic, is there a phonetic difference between <tl> in, say, "útland" (foreign country) and <ll> in, say, "bolli" (cup)?