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by sangi39
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:24 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Ah, yeah, the changes I presented over on the CBB weren't meant to indicate free variation, but variations of each of the original Proto-Hasjakam vowels found in closed and open syllables respectively. Since I didn't present any changes that could have caused those variations to become phonemic, I ...
by sangi39
Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:19 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Ah, yeah, the changes I presented over on the CBB weren't meant to indicate free variation, but variations of each of the original Proto-Hasjakam vowels found in closed and open syllables respectively. Since I didn't present any changes that could have caused those variations to become phonemic, I c...
by sangi39
Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:25 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 976217

Re: Romanization challenge thread

/b t c k kʷ ʔ/ < b t c k p q > /f ħ h/ < f j h > /m n/ < m n > /l w/ < l w > /i ɨ ʉ u a e ə a ɑ ɒ/ < i eu ue u a e o ae a ao > /˦ ˧ ˨ ˨˦ ˦˨ ˥˩/ < á a à â ā ǎ > Diacritics are placed on the first letter of a digraph. An apostrophe separates vowel clusters, unless no ambiguity is present. ħɑf˧ha˨˦ bɨn...
by sangi39
Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:18 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I seem to recall recently seeing a suggestion that high vowels have the potential to cause affrication of stops, which would (if true) help explain Japanese /tu/ > [tsu], for example. So, I was wondering, could this change be extended to affect all plosives within a language, e.g. /p t k/ > [pɸ ts k...
by sangi39
Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:03 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Odd natlang features thread
Replies: 354
Views: 159419

Re: Odd natlang features thread

Qwynegold wrote:And what on Earth is that /e̯/??
It looks like that's how whoever entered the data has chosen to represent /j/ (which is absent from the inventory given). It's definitely a weird way of representing it :?
by sangi39
Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:20 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I completely forgot about pre-aspiration in Icelandic. How'd I manage that :P
by sangi39
Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:21 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

What are some interesting things to do with geminate consonants? Currently I have /bː,dː,gː,pː,tː,kː,zː,sː,vː,fː,mː,nː,lː,jː,ɲː,ʎː/ I'd like to do more than just degeminate them, especially if they could develop into something less Romance-y. Geminate unvoiced stops could become ejectives. If I rec...
by sangi39
Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:53 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Stability of vowel systems
Replies: 26
Views: 6844

Re: Stability of vowel systems

Also, out of curiosity, does anyone actually have a link to something showing evidence of nasalization leading to open vowels? I've heard it before, but none of the evidence I've seen actually supports it. It just supports some kind of vowel changes, but that can be all kinds of different redistrib...
by sangi39
Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:28 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to cheat at map creation
Replies: 29
Views: 8541

Re: How to cheat at map creation

Possibly annoyingly for you, but yes :P
More: show
It's New Zealand's South Island flipped over horizontally.
As for the second part of your question, I probably wouldn't find it all that distracting :)
by sangi39
Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:02 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Thanks, Sangi, but what could I do to specifically word-final /z/ (that absolutely isn't shifting to /s/ or /r/)? Palatalisation could still be an option if it were progressive rather than regressive (IIRC, Early Old French had both?). If you have Vj diphthongs, then the same /z/ > [ʑ] > [ɣ] > [ɰ] ...
by sangi39
Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:19 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

How about this? T = Voiceless plosive D = Voiced plosive N = Nasal rT lT > ʈ Tr Tl > ʈ rD lD > ɖ Dr Dl > ɖ rN lN > ɳ Nr Nl > ɳ rts > ʈs > ʈʂ rdz > ɖz > ɖʐ I think Lhasa Tibetan has the Tr > ʈ-esque set of changes, and is it Swedish or Norwegian that has rT > ʈ? /r/ and /l/ could merge before these ...
by sangi39
Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:19 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 704649

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

What can I do with /z/ that isn't shifting it to /s/ or /r/? /z/ > [ʑ] before /i e j/, which could then either become [j] before /i e/ and possible shift backwards to [ɣ] (following the [ʃ] > [x] shift of Spanish?) before /a u o/, then becoming [ɰ], dropping out before /a/ and shifting to [w] befor...
by sangi39
Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:18 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 976217

Re: Romanization challenge thread

/m n ɲ/ < m n ni~ņ > /p ts t tʃ k/ < p ti~ţ t ci~ç c > /b dz d dʒ g/ < b di~ḑ d gi~ģ g > /f s ʃ x~h/ < f s si~ş h > /v z ʒ/ < v z zi~z̧ > /ɫ l r j w/ < l li~ļ r i u > /i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ < i~y u e o ea a > /'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ < í~ý ú é ó éa á > /'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ < î~ŷ û ê ô êa â > /lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum ...
by sangi39
Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:06 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, sir?)
Replies: 5496
Views: 906368

Re: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, s

Kereb wrote:I KNOW
I wish they were mine. I had to return them to the dude I borrowed them from.
Well that's a shame and a half :(
by sangi39
Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:04 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Coronal Dissimilation
Replies: 18
Views: 3702

Re: Coronal Dissimilation

Astraios wrote:/ɬ/ on its own often ends up as [kl] in English, cf. every Welsh toponym ever.
Or [fl], as happened with in Floyd.
by sangi39
Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:37 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, sir?)
Replies: 5496
Views: 906368

Re: ZBB member photos, part 5. (Something for the weekend, s

Now those are some awesome boots! :D
by sangi39
Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:47 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 976217

Re: Romanization challenge thread

Tlingan Hol (/t͡ɬɪŋɑn xol/) /m n ŋ/ < m n ng > /pʰ b tʰ ɖ qʰ ʔ/ < p b t d q ' > /t͡ɬ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ q͡χ/ < tl c j x > /v ʂ x ɣ/ < v s h g > /w r l j/ < w r l y > /ɑ ɛ ɪ o u/ < a e i o u > /t͡ɬɪŋɑn xol jɛd͡ʒxɑɖ d͡ʒɪnmol t͡ʃuʔ ʔox q͡χoʔnoʂ q͡χonoʂʔɛʔ. t͡ɬɪŋɑn xol d͡ʒɑt͡ɬwɪʔpʰuʔvɑɖ wɪt͡ʃɛrpʰuʔ. nox q͡χɑpʰmɛx...
by sangi39
Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:52 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 976217

Re: Romanization challenge thread

Initials: /b t d k/ < b t d k > /f s h/ < f s h > /m n ŋ/ < m n g > Syllables with no initial are realized with a glide: /e ɤ o i u/ [je wʊ wo ji wu] < je vọ vo ji vu >. /a ɿ/ cannot occur without an initial. Medials: /a e ɤ~ʊ o i u ɿ~ʮ~ɯ/ < a e ọ o i u ụ > /ai ɤi oi ui ae aɤ eɯ au eu iu/ < ai ọi oi...
by sangi39
Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:12 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 976217

Re: Romanization challenge thread

Säämćjïll /sa:mc͡çjɘl:/ /m n ɲ ŋ/ < m n ń ņ > /p b t d k g/ < p b t d k g > /t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ/ < c ʒ č ǯ ć ʒ́ > /f v ð s z ʃ ʒ ʝ x ɣ/ < f v ð s z š ž ź h y > /w l r ʎ j/ < w l r ĺ j > /i e ɛ a ɘ ɐ u o ɔ ɑ/ < i e ẹ ä ï ë u o ọ a > /i: e: a: ɘ: ɐ: u: o: ɔ: ɑ:/ < ii ee ẹẹ ää ïï ëë uu oo ọọ aa >...
by sangi39
Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:31 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 976217

Re: Romanization challenge thread

Rusyn /p b t d k g/ < p b t d k g > /t͡s t͡ʃ ʃt͡ʃ/ < c č ć > /f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɦ/ < f v s z š ž ch h > /m n/ < m n > /l j r -ʲ/ < l j r * > *acute accent on following vowels or an apostrophe if no vowel is following. /i ɨ ɪ e a o u/ < i ì y e a o u > /toʒ ʃanjme ridne slovo, od velɪka aʒ do mala. vʃɨt...
by sangi39
Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:39 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Holtzmann's Law in East and North Germanic
Replies: 1
Views: 1240

Holtzmann's Law in East and North Germanic

So, I get Holtzman's law in general, i.e. the doubling of *w and *y in certain positions in Proto-Germanic, and then that *ww and *jj became *ggw and *ggj in North Germanic and *ggw and *ddj in East Germanic, but I'm having a little trouble figuring out what happened afterwards. Looking through Wikt...
by sangi39
Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:31 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 976217

Re: Romanization challenge thread

Old Church Slavonic : /m n ɲ/ < m n ń > /p b t d ts dz tʃ dʒ ʃt ʒd k g/ < p b t d c ʒ č ǯ ć ʒ́ k g > /s z ʃ ʒ (ɕ) x/ < s z š ž ś h > /r rʲ l ʎ ʋ j/ < r ŕ l ĺ v j > /i ɪ ʊ ɯ u/ < i ĭ ŭ y u > /e ẽ o õ/ < e ę o ǫ > /æ a/ < á a > /i pristõpi kʊ ɲemu dijæʋolʊ jiskuʃajẽ ji i retʃe aʃte sinʊ jesi boʒiji r...
by sangi39
Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:48 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 529643

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

KathAveara wrote:Those are developments in Sanskrit.
Wikipedia and Wiktionary at least seem to back this up, with traditional PIE *g becoming *gʰ before a laryngeal.
by sangi39
Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:43 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: The Ultimate Proto-Language
Replies: 39
Views: 12070

Re: The Ultimate Proto-Language

KathAveara wrote:
Clearsand wrote:onomatapia (I dont think thats spelled right)
Onomatopoea
Onomatopoeia :)