I have an idea for a sound change occuring in three alternative environments - that is, I'm going to pick only one of them, hence I don't write them as one sound change under three conditions.
n → ŋ → ŋk / _ʃ
n → ŋ → ŋk / _ʂ
n → ŋ → ŋk / _x
I wonder: was any of these changes attested?
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- Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:28 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 622442
- Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:05 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Case suffixes with trapped pronouns/person affixes.
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2730
Re: Case suffixes with trapped pronouns/person affixes.
Recently, I've been revisiting the idea again, so I'm bumping this thread to ask: does anyone know or recall any specific information on the topic?
- Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:07 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Case suffixes with trapped pronouns/person affixes.
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2730
Case suffixes with trapped pronouns/person affixes.
There are (at leas) 23 languages with person inflection on adpositions used with nouns (according to this article on WALS ). Abhaz is an example of such a language, as shown in the article: a-jə̀yas a-q’nə̀ def-river 3sg-at ‘at the river’ It is a general rule that adpositions arise from nouns or ver...
- Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:44 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
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- Views: 622442
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
@Thry: [ie] is a sequence of two vowels, resulting from disappearance of a consonant between them. My idea was to change it to a sequence of a glide and a vowel, with whole segment preserving length, or not. I think there is a difference between [ie] and [je], and if I remember correctly, I have als...
- Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:40 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 622442
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
What would be a better (more likely) set of sound changes happening to diphtongs [ie] and [ue] in a language, that already has phonemic vowel length?
option #1:
ie → je
ue → we
option #2:
ie → jeː
ue → weː
option #1:
ie → je
ue → we
option #2:
ie → jeː
ue → weː
- Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:16 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Sex, shape and size - criteria of semantic genders
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2521
Re: Sex, shape and size - criteria of semantic genders
Not sure why you're bringing size into this. Because, as I wrote, Tiwi uses category of shape and size. Some Papuan language(s) use(s) that, too. Also, in some languages, particular gender is associated with derivational morphemes (like diminutive and augmentive, both refering to size), that is: no...
- Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:22 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Sex, shape and size - criteria of semantic genders
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2521
Sex, shape and size - criteria of semantic genders
Recently I've been thinking about gender system for one of my languages. Searching for inspiration, I found out about natural languages that have system of gender assignement basing on natural gender (sex), and shape and/or size of a noun. First, I found such a system in Tiwi language , spoken on Ti...
- Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:09 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 622442
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Thanks! But now I'm thinking that I could make it another way:
p > f
f > h
and then in one of decendants of my language:
kʷ > p
This would be probably more naturalistic, and the result would be the same.
p > f
f > h
and then in one of decendants of my language:
kʷ > p
This would be probably more naturalistic, and the result would be the same.
- Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:26 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 622442
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Thanks for the answers! Another idea, and new questions: I'm going to create a language, that lacks bilabial consonants (like Iroquoian, or some other languages of Americas). First, I wanted to just make it by fiat, but then I had an idea of making it a result of a sound change, that will be one of ...
- Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:20 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 622442
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Are these sound changes: aa → aː ae → æː ai → ai ao → oː au → au ea → æ: ee → eː ei → ei eo → øː eu → eu ia → ja ie → je ii → iː io → jo iu → ju oa → wa oe → we oi → wi oo → oː ou → ou ua → wa ue → we ui → wi uo → wo uu → uː plausible in this set (as opposed to the same changes occuring with other v...
- Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:10 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: ASCA v0.1.6 - NEW
- Replies: 125
- Views: 32022
Re: ASCA v0.1.6 - NEW
Well... is something going on about the project? A lot of time passed since the last news, and the version is still 0.1.6. I'm writing this, because I have a problem with using both [ː] and [:] as markers of vowel lenght. I want to turn [ I've tried these: i u > ɪ ʊ / _ UNLESS _ː then iː uː > i u an...
- Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:00 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 622442
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
How can a syncope (loss of word-medial vowel) be conditioned? I thought of dropping an unstressed vowel before stressed syllable, or loss of supershort vowel, but I have no idea about other possible conditions.
- Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:05 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Motion verbs and deictic distinctions
- Replies: 18
- Views: 3484
Motion verbs and deictic distinctions
While listening "Conlangery Podcast" (episode #14: Verb framing and postural verbs), I've heard something about verbs to come and to go to be "often the same" in other languages. While I know that in some languges motion verbs translated as one of these two can cover situations different from those ...
- Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:16 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Complex sentences
- Replies: 20
- Views: 5060
Re: Complex sentences
I'd say it's not very likely, especially as you use ponoun-based relative sentences - there's normally a lot of overlap in the construction principles of relative sentences and other subordinate sentences, and if your relative sentences use rel. pronoun plus finite verbs, I'd say it's very likely t...
- Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:20 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Why did people start counting (on development of numerals)?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2230
Re: Why did people start counting (on development of numeral
As you may know, I did a good deal of research on numbers , though I won't say I'm an expert. To my knowledge, only two languages are reported to have no numbers: Yumbri (SE Asia) and Piraha (Amazon), and the latter has been disputed. You can't always trust reports of "restricted" numeral systems. ...
- Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:57 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Why did people start counting (on development of numerals)?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2230
Why did people start counting (on development of numerals)?
Recently, I've been reading some articles on origin of indo-european and uralic numerals, and also about numerals in other languages of the world. I won't wonder here how numerals in different languages evolve - from what I've read, they develop from body-part nouns and simple aritmethic operations,...
- Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:15 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Complex sentences
- Replies: 20
- Views: 5060
Re: Complex sentences
I'm reviving this old thread (at first, I didn't even realise, how old it is...) because perhaps now some more people will know how to help me, perhaps giving some radically different answers. And because now I'm dealing with the topic of complex sentences again... So, now I'm going to create a conl...
- Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:14 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Post your conlang's phonology
- Replies: 2278
- Views: 505791
Re: Post your conlang's phonology
What do you think of this phonology? Does it look naturalistic? I'm especially afraid that the inventory of approximants and laterals doesn't...
- Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:06 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Resource request - list(s) of english words with IPA
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3562
Re: Resource request - list(s) of english words with IPA
A dictionary. Thank you, captain obvoius! The reason I'm asking for an online resource is that I want to avoid creating such a list of words manually, by using a book dictionary or internet one. I wanted to use my own python script to extract such data from wiktionary dump, but I gave up because my...
- Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:12 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Resource request - list(s) of english words with IPA
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3562
Resource request - list(s) of english words with IPA
I'm planning an english-based conlanging project, for which I need a list of modern english words, with their pronounciations (preferably in received pronounciation). First, I wanted to use wiktionary dump, but I failed to import it to my local mysql database. I've searched for other possible resour...
- Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:03 am
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Polysynthesis for Novices
- Replies: 170
- Views: 190430
Re: Polysynthesis for Novices
What a great thread! It reminds me times, when I wanted to create a polysynthetic language myself... I hope it's not going to dissapear after some time (I remember that this was often the case with many threads before, at least while ZBB was on its former hosting).
- Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:27 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Discourse and/or sentential particles in languages
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2021
Re: Discourse and/or sentential particles in languages
That's not the case... Both polish examples that I gave are purely (as far as I know, and I'm polish) sentence-initial.Bob Johnson wrote:There are other particles of course but I took OP to be interested only in sentence-final ones.
- Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:14 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Discourse and/or sentential particles in languages
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2021
Discourse and/or sentential particles in languages
I'm creating this topic for inspiration (for me, but I'm sure others would make a use of it as well). So, what sentential and/or discourse particles that you know about are used in languages? It would be great to know phonological values of a particle, its uses, and name of language in which the par...
- Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:38 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Diachrony of stress shifts and lexical stress
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2771
Diachrony of stress shifts and lexical stress
What are possible ways of a language with stress fixed on one syllable to develop lexical stress (the one with different positions in each word), or to shift fixed stress position to another one? I thought about stress being moved to syllables with a specific tone(s), or one preserved on its positio...
- Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:12 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Grammaticalization paths of ordinal numerals
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1506
Grammaticalization paths of ordinal numerals
Do you know any natural grammaticalization paths of ordinal numeral form? Or do you have any idea what would be a possible scenario of it? I'm asking, because in my conlang ordinal numeral are marked by an affix, and I know it will be eventually lost in its daughter languages. PS: Please, specify if...