I think this is what happened in Eastern Catalan.Nannalu wrote:(...) delete final /e/ and keep final /a/ as schwa; bare in mind unstressed /o/ /u/. Any help here?
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- Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:32 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
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- Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:19 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Hi Imralu. Sorry, I'll have to abandon the challenge. I'd like too see your glosses, at least for the words I haven't glossed yet or glossed incorrectly. From what I've seen, Wena not only has agent nouns instead of verbs, but also (like Yagua ) nouns instead of adjectives. What are you doing with ...
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:30 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Ah, so many loose ends! Are these sentences grammatically correct? (and do they mean what I think they mean?): De di e (ba) zyonda u gi e de da. “The small one is smarter than the big one.” We hu ye nda i ngge (ya) eda. “The strong men hunt cassowaries.” We hu ye ngge (ya) eda i nda. “The men who hu...
- Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:45 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Godu zyi dihu i lyu buvwi u zye i yu i zi bwi u lu mwi ye lu vyo (zyi) zwazo. = The boy's feet are dirty from playing in the mud at the side of the river. Just to be clear: are you using lyu for "location" and lu for something else here? godu feet (I still have to discover what go and du mean separ...
- Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:26 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
I’m afraid I’m going to keep writing short weekly posts here. And now a challenge for you: Ha wa i nyu dyazyo? = Do you have a _______? Computer? Yes, I have a new one (with Windows 10, which I haven't got completely used to yet) and I'm also going to repair the old one. Wa i zyu ma i ngwo? = What ...
- Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:10 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
A short post dedicated to zo . So zo is a general verb of movement. I’d gloss it as “go.AG” or “move.AG”. The following words contain it: zwazo “river” (water-move.AG) zobye “leave.AG” ( bye alone also means “leave”) mbagyozo “cinema” (house-image?-move.AG, “house of the images in movement”) dyazo “...
- Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:36 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
So most polysyllabic in the samples words are actually formed by two or more monosyllabic roots, right? I had to laugh when I re-read this. I mean, I know my English isn't perfect, but what this actually shows is how hurriedly I often post. I wrote the whole sentence and then decided to add "in you...
- Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:54 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
I'm bumping this because I still want to post something before the thread is pruned but haven't had the time.
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- Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:57 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Regarding word classes: Initially I said that words like mo , ngu , etc were nouns (specifically agent nouns); this was supported by the facts that these words can be used as subjects ( mo nga i de mba ) and that the direct object is marked with the same case as the modifying noun in a genitive cons...
- Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:08 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
(Still writing on a tablet; sorry for the lack of formatting) This is an incomplete list of things I have identified. I won't indicate word classes for now: yu is a complementiser. zyu looks like a contraction of zyi yu (3.GEN + C) nda = strong zyonda = smart (looks like a compound zyo + nda, conta...
- Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:49 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Just wanted to say that I haven't abandoned the challenge, but my computer's hard drive failed, and writing and formatting text on a tablet takes too long.
I think I understand how comparatives work in Wena.
I think I understand how comparatives work in Wena.
- Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:49 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
The second-person pronoun (singular, I assume) is wa (NOM) / wo (GEN). The third-person pronoun (singular, right?) is de (NOM) / zyi (GEN). It also functions as the definite article. ngu kill.AG bo want.AG nggo stick (n) mizyo mind (n) dya instrument zi is some past tense and/or perfective aspect m...
- Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:05 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
More sentences, good! I'll have a closer look at them this evening, for now this is what I can identify: hi "this/that", distance-neutral demonstrative pronoun hina "this", proximal demonstrative pronoun, apparently hi + na (1SG) gwa "fish" e seems to be a form of the particle i after /i/ mu "know" ...
- Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:29 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Also, I guess the -k and -s forms can also be expanded out to their full forms for emphasis, no? Yes. Now I'm probably going to use a contraction of kə ʔe → ke instead of (or besides) just -k, it would make the difference more audible. But I think I've talked too much about my own lang already. Any...
- Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:45 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
My thought was basically that "introducing the predicate" could imply "not being part of the predicate"... and in my interpretation i was not only included in it but the verb itself so... Yeah, again, I think this is more or less just semantics. Does the conjunction "because" introduce a clause ind...
- Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:32 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Well, yeah, but when you say NounPhraseA is NounPhraseB, I would regard "is NounPhraseB" as the predicate. Anyway, this is all just the semantics. I was basically just curious to see if I could learn something from your distinction between them as I think it's useful to bring my use of these kind o...
- Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:16 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Just curious though - what was your reason for crossing out "particle introducing the predicate" and replace it with "copula"? I would consider it both ... it's a particle because it's a little grammatical word that doesn't inflect, and it's a copula because ... well, it basically means "is/am/are"...
- Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:46 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
Anyway, well done! Two tried it over on the CBB and seemed a bit more confused by it, although they didn't do too badly either. :-D Two things helped: First, based on what I know of your other conlangs, I was expecting some kind of experiment with word classes. :) Also, while my "main" conlangs are...
- Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:56 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
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Re: Glossing challenge for Wena, an isolating language
I like this kind of challenges, I'd like to see more conlangs presented this way. i is the copula or a particle that precedes the predicate ya = of na = I (1SG.NOM) nga = of me (1SG.GEN) de = the (definite article) zyi = of the mba = house lu = place mo = eater Lu nga i de mba. place of.me COP the h...
- Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:17 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
@Opipik: Thanks! A suggestion based on natlang precedents and/or aesthetic preference is what I was hoping for. @WeepingElf: It's not for one single conlang, all of them have /q/ and either there's /g/ or I'm using <g> for something else. But I'm curious: assuming you wanted to use <c> and <x> for /...
- Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:33 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
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(I think this thread is also the right place for this kind of questions) If you wanted to represent a non-rhotic voiced uvular phoneme (fricative with a stop allophone or viceversa) and the glottal stop with the letters <c> and <x>, which letter would you use for which phoneme? I know Pirahã uses <x...
- Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:00 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Deponent verbs in languages with periphrastic passives
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Re: Deponent verbs in languages with periphrastic passives
What does it mean for a verb to be passive in form but active in meaning? Being passive in form but (unlike a real passive construction) taking a direct (accusative) object (as in veritatem loquitur )? What would an analytic deponant look like? "the meat is eaten the dog?" Rather "The dog is eaten ...
- Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:36 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
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Thanks for your answers! I I could extend /sk/ > /sx/ as in Dutch and apparently Slavic, as Pole mentioned (see R. Matasović's Proto-Indo-European *sk- in Slavic) to /st/ > /sθ/ and then simplify the clusters.
- Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:27 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
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Is the sound change /s/ + voiceless stop > voiceless fricative (e.g., /st/ > /θ/, /sk/ > /x/) attested in some natural language? Caesaraugusta > Zaragoza could be an examßple of /st/ > /θ/ (through Arabic "Saraqusta", I think), but I don't think it was a regular sound change.
- Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:31 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
Many years ago, a friend of mine asked me to create a conlang for her fictional setting. She had a definite aesthetic in mind and had already written a list of 40+ words with no clear idea of how they should be pronounced, so I had to figure out a phonology and appropriate spelling rules. I'm curiou...