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by Tropylium⁺
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:01 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: My beef about ɨ/ɯ
Replies: 62
Views: 10368

Re: My beef about ɨ/ɯ

ı --A nightmare. Just what were the Turks thinking? While you're at it, why not use j for /ʤ/ and dotless j for /ʒ/ too? Actually, that does make some sense, certainly more than <c ç> for /dʒ tʃ/… Is there a J with overdot in Unicode yet? :P You forgot ï . Which annoys the shit out of me. I've rant...
by Tropylium⁺
Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:51 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Question for native speakers of Finnish and Hungarian
Replies: 17
Views: 3766

Re: Question for native speakers of Finnish and Hungarian

also, "tällainen" sometimes gets harmonized for me Yeah, in that particular word the harmonized pronunciation is actually quite common, I think. However, do we actually know how recent this innovation is? AFAICT, both variants could well have been in existence for quite a while now. Also, there's t...
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:43 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Question for native speakers of Finnish and Hungarian
Replies: 17
Views: 3766

Re: Question for native speakers of Finnish and Hungarian

What he said, but the ɑ/æ harmony hangs on somewhat tighter than o/ø & u/y harmonies (probably because there are fewer languages around that would have a corresponding vowel contrast, and thus yield nonharmonic loans). At least IML an English word with both of the vowels might get simplified to som...
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:33 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Question for native speakers of Finnish and Hungarian
Replies: 17
Views: 3766

Re: Question for native speakers of Finnish and Hungarian

What he said, but the ɑ/æ harmony hangs on somewhat tighter than o/ø & u/y harmonies (probably because there are fewer languages around that would have a corresponding vowel contrast, and thus yield nonharmonic loans). At least IML an English word with both of the vowels might get simplified to some...
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:07 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Mekkiko
Replies: 8
Views: 2267

Re: Mekkiko

Or they were describing a /mɛkɪko/ pronunciation and used <kk> to avoid suggesting /miːkɪko/? Still, "Meckiko" might've been more expected then…
by Tropylium⁺
Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:44 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 646439

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

North Samic has *k̆s :> *ɣs :> *vs.

For *sʷ, how about something like :> *sw :> skw?
by Tropylium⁺
Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:14 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Post your conlang's phonology
Replies: 2278
Views: 525339

Re: Post your conlang's phonology

Some examples. Classic Austric (3+7) /e A u/ /b~w t k s n~N l j/ Ouiqál (8+23) /i y u e ø o a A/ /p t k ʔ/ /b d g/ /m_0 n_0 ŋ_0/ /m n ŋ/ /f θ s ç h/ (and perhaps /ɸ/) /β l ɾ j/ Standard West Persian' (31+57) /i i\ u/ /e @ / / a A / /i~ i\~ u~/ /e~ / / a~ A~ / /ai ei @i Ai/ /ai\ ei\ @u Au/ / i@ u@ / ...
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:06 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)
Replies: 882
Views: 153361

Re: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting

Sorry if your tectonics are still hanging — ran out of free time rapidly, and the project I was planning on incorporating here has been stashed in the freezer…

Consider this my official sign-out for now :(
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:56 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Yonagu by Nancy - vowel systems
Replies: 76
Views: 13546

Re: Yonagu by Nancy - vowel systems

I have no time to get into this deeper right now but I'd like to point out that "Lappish" and "Berber" aren't languages… OK, 2nd thing: some Australian language might be useful as a "pure" 3-vowel example. Arabic, Aleut, Inuit all have a length contrast (as does Sanskrit for which you do remark on t...
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:43 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Do phonemes exist? (Travis bait)
Replies: 58
Views: 10506

Re: Do phonemes exist? (Travis bait)

What's the laminal for, anyway? Where does it show up? The laminal (and for postalveolars, alveolopalatal) shows up in two different general kinds of places. The first, and seemingly the most widespread (as I can tell it is often present in General American-like varieties, albeit without the affric...
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:14 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: Creativity of the day
Replies: 1704
Views: 345060

Re: Creativity of the day

Zoris wrote:New work:]
So how many neo-psych albums have you made covers for, again?
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:10 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)
Replies: 882
Views: 153361

Re: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting

Closer to a PNG; they seem reasonably isolated by the sea to the south and the desert/mountains to the north. (I'm counting Treskro's area as a part of this.) The land connections to west and east would probably spell for occasional invasions however. OTOH, if humans are starting from Keskus, it loo...
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:31 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)
Replies: 882
Views: 153361

Re: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting

That area looks like a good place to stick a whole bunch of ethno-linguistic lineages in, really.
by Tropylium⁺
Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:45 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)
Replies: 882
Views: 153361

Re: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting

I'm working on Ancient Bēðoth phonology right now, and being that I don't know shit about phonology, it's killing me. I'd be happy to help with that a bit :D (Next few days may be bizzy for me however, and as conculturing isn't exactly my strongest point, don't expect too much details before Januar...
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:34 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)
Replies: 882
Views: 153361

Re: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting

Current locations... I think. Azdusha quit a while back so I took over that area... And I think Absolem's territory is overrepresented. Is Wierdmin still in? The old tectonic map is back on page 11... Go ahead and re-do it, I basically threw something together. Could do… may take a while however, I...
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:26 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Prehistory of the Old Irish Verb
Replies: 10
Views: 2471

Re: Prehistory of the Old Irish Verb

Dewrad wrote:If, on the other hand, he's referring to Kortlandt's Italo-Celtic Origins and Prehistoric Development of the Irish Language, just don't. It's lunacy, through and through.
Out of curiosity, "lunacy" as in "crackpottery", or as in "this is Sparta!"?
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:11 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Origin of Pharyngeal Fricatives and other consonants?
Replies: 11
Views: 2810

Re: Origin of Pharyngeal Fricatives and other consonants?

Per Afro-Asiatic, pharyngeals seem to be something of a stable island: it's hard to get them into a language, and it's fairly hard to get them out of a language as well. IIRC some branch or Semitic or the other gains some extra pharyngeals from emphaticness assimilation, a la h-tˁ :> ħ-tˁ, but I cou...
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:55 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)
Replies: 882
Views: 153361

Re: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting

What's the latest word on fauna & flora? Giant marsupials by analogy, "pick what you like", to be decided until geological history has been determined? 3. Flora and Fauna seem to be pretty normal, but you get free-reign on the southwest continent(as long as it's possible biologically). I have some ...
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:16 pm
Forum: C&C Archive
Topic: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)
Replies: 882
Views: 153361

Re: Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting

Is it allowed to jump on at this stage and what would I need to do (aside from a conculture), if that's the case? I have one project which turns out doesn't really fit onto my conworld's main area, and if I'm to start on an entirely new continent, might as well do it here for the sake of synergy :) ...
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:15 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: What are you listening to? -- Non-English Edition
Replies: 1735
Views: 375039

Re: What are you listening to? -- Non-English Edition

Peter Baumann — Romance '76
Gert Emmens — Elektra
Detlef Keller — Harmonic Steps
by Tropylium⁺
Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:07 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 646439

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

How so? I don't really see any good way for velars to develop except through borrowing, unless maybe something weird happens with /t/. /t/ has a high likelihood of backing if there are no coronal stops of any sort in the system. There are at least 20 branches of Oceanic [pdf] that have more or less...
by Tropylium⁺
Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:09 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: What not to miss when visiting the internet
Replies: 95
Views: 26638

Re: What not to miss when visiting the internet

Absolem wrote:nataliedee.com

fuck that bitch is funny
One of the unfunniest cartoon sites I ever saw. HAY I'M A BONERCAKE LOL! AND I'M A YAM THAT SAYS "NOOOOOOO"! And drawn in under 60 seconds, by the looks of it.

Try this insted: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/
by Tropylium⁺
Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:51 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: The Correspondence Library
Replies: 568
Views: 294820

Re: The Correspondence Library

Whimemsz wrote:Incidentally, I finally got around to updating my many-year-old post on Proto-Algonquian > Ojibwe. So now it's almost accurate! And stuff.
It looks rather like you could cut a corner or two by declaring that *r splits to lenis r and fortis R, then R :> s, and *h *ʔ drop before any obstruents.
by Tropylium⁺
Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:41 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 646439

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

How realistic is */r ʀ/ :> /d g/? I think r >: d is attested in Malayo-Polynesian (there's a large area where *d and *r merge, sometimes to /r/, sometimes to /d/). For Nort's affricate issue, consider deriving some of the affricates secondarily from the others. Maybe first *t :> *tʲ :> *ts by some ...
by Tropylium⁺
Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:33 am
Forum: None of the above
Topic: The dream thread
Replies: 1807
Views: 331835

Re: The dream thread

Last night in TropDreams: my mother was looking thru some course notes of mine for some reason, she noticed some linguistic scribbles in the marginal, and I ended up trying to explain [ʕ] to her. (And I had not seen Jetboy's thred on the topic before now, for the record.) An erlier part of the dream...