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by garysk
Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:03 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: More English vowels
Replies: 13
Views: 1205

Re: More English vowels

I wondered if he might have been joking, since his posts generally (or better) show a lot of knowledge. But only he knows, and others might be mislead.
by garysk
Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:17 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: More English vowels
Replies: 13
Views: 1205

Re: More English vowels

While some people have /r/ in *warsh, most (my observation) don't. I think, if <a> is /a/ because of the /w/, then I would guess that the /r/ is because of the /a/. But English dialectologists may have facts better than my impressions.
by garysk
Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: More English vowels
Replies: 13
Views: 1205

More English vowels

Why is the <a> of most of the *ash words /æ/, but the <a> of wash is /a/?
by garysk
Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Something interesting about West Coast American English
Replies: 44
Views: 2943

Re: Something interesting about West Coast American English

Ah, yes, I forgot about almond too. I pronounce the /l/ just is in calm/balm/psalm. In particular, the /l/ in psalm seems right, if you consider "psalter' (unless some pronounce it /psatɚ/ or /psɔtɚ/); the /l/ seems inherent. Unlike caulk (with /l/), I pronounce baulk as /bɔk/ though sometimes /balk...
by garysk
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:14 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Something interesting about West Coast American English
Replies: 44
Views: 2943

Re: Something interesting about West Coast American English

my father is the ONLY person I have ever heard pronounce the /l/ in walk/talk/stalk, so this may be a Southernism and may well be dying out. In my experience, MOST people pronounce the /l/ in calm/balm/psalm, but I have heard them without also, but not often. These are all features that are very eas...
by garysk
Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:51 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Something interesting about West Coast American English
Replies: 44
Views: 2943

Re: Something interesting about West Coast American English

Oh, and I forgot palm/balm/psalm/calm: I do pronounce the /l/ in those words, and the /a/ is pronounced the same as father/bother/cot/caught/walk/stalk. I do not pronounce the /l/ in calf/calves/half/halves, but do in valve. calf/calves/half/halves/valve all have the /a/ as /æ/.
by garysk
Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:08 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Something interesting about West Coast American English
Replies: 44
Views: 2943

Re: Something interesting about West Coast American English

in my variety of American English, I have father/bother/cot/caught all with the same vowel, and talk/walk/stalk are pronounced with the same /a/ as father (tock/wok/stock), with no remnants of the /l/ present in the spelling. My father was horrified to learn that I did not pronounce the /l/ in talk/...
by garysk
Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:53 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Creating a continent
Replies: 58
Views: 10626

Re: Creating a continent

oh, my! Now I'm jealous! Very, very nicely done!!
by garysk
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:58 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Clicks in Berber
Replies: 30
Views: 2762

Re: Clicks in Berber

while there are definitely many words out there Gosh, I am overwhelmed by your precision, depth, and logic. What is this logic, or lack thereof? "People have almost no choice as to what dictionary they use therefore they are a standard resource" is nonsense. If your are going to quote me, QUOTE me,...
by garysk
Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:57 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 169749

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

It is a value judgment. In my experience it is the uneducated who regularly use "them" as a demonstrative, other than, as I said, by some in humor. "T'ing", "dat", etc are accent variations, not wholesale grammatical solecisms, like "them". I don't care a fig about "any usage used is ok". That's not...
by garysk
Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:01 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 169749

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

"them" as a demonstrative is regarded as a sign of an uneducated country bumpkin in my experience. Often used by the educated as a humor device. In concurrence with Travis B., "should of" is the only commonly heard usage. Though "give me" usually is pronounced "gimme". IIRC, Travis's dialect is Grea...
by garysk
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Clicks in Berber
Replies: 30
Views: 2762

Re: Clicks in Berber

Spelling (orthography) is necessarily prescriptive. Woah may spell a word, but it doesn't spell whoa. Dictionaries are intended to be standard resources. Some are more prescriptive than others, but the very act of entering a word in a dictionary implies usages. And most people only have access to on...
by garysk
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:14 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 169749

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Indeed many languages (IE ones) use demonstratives as pronouns: "that dog barks" >> "that (one) barks". Depending on the history of demonstratives and pronouns in a particular language, one might expect to see extension in either directions. So I see little reason why there should be an uncrossable ...
by garysk
Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:55 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Clicks in Berber
Replies: 30
Views: 2762

Re: Clicks in Berber

Thanks, @KathTheDragon. Whoa means "stop", whether applied to a horse, an impetuous person, or any process that is ongoing. Its use as an exclamation, however (mis)spelled, has drifted, as Kath says, a little from the original meaning. "Whoa you gotta be kidding" usage is still within the envelope o...
by garysk
Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Clicks in Berber
Replies: 30
Views: 2762

Re: Clicks in Berber

The horse-related meaning has always been secondary What other use does this word have? Merriam-Webster appears to disagree with you. The command, whether issued to horse or human, means "stop moving". Regardless of prior (mis-)use, "woah" does not spell /ʍō/. (I was going to say "irregardless" as ...
by garysk
Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:48 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Clicks in Berber
Replies: 30
Views: 2762

Re: Clicks in Berber

While it may look weird, "whoa" is the standard spelling. "Woah" doesn't allow for the "wh" sound which in my dialect is still pronounced as an unvoiced /ʍ/. Merriam-Webster's audio rendition is /ʍóò/ (rising then falling tone and two distinct (to my ear) ō's) And I did mean /dōh/. Though Homer (the...
by garysk
Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:18 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Clicks in Berber
Replies: 30
Views: 2762

Re: Clicks in Berber

This is totally off-topic, but I can't not comment... Woah this is a clickbait. The word you are trying to use there is "Whoa" /(h)wō/ as one would say to a horse in English to get it to stop. Tumblr uses this mangled form "woah" /wō'a/ in many of the "have you seen so-and-so's post" messages they s...
by garysk
Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:00 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Is the worldwide popularity of (grape) wine a coincidence?
Replies: 44
Views: 4128

Re: Is the worldwide popularity of (grape) wine a coincidenc

There's a huge difference between beer/wine on one hand and distilled concentrates like whiskey and brandy on the other. Distillation is way more technology-driven than fermenting a vat of mash, filtering and serving it. And the distillation process can winnow out impurities like insect parts. And b...
by garysk
Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:51 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Creating a continent
Replies: 58
Views: 10626

Re: Creating a continent

Of course, applying different colors to different elevations is what donjon/world is doing, but using donjon's land-mask form eliminates the cross-hatch artifacts. The Olsson palette is particularly good, much better than mine. newplanetb.gif And of course gprojector makes it unbelievably versatile....
by garysk
Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:05 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Creating a continent
Replies: 58
Views: 10626

Re: Creating a continent

2) Use a fractal map generator: https://donjon.bin.sh/world/ You can get a reasonable looking isolated continent if you play around a bit. The only problem is the grid-like artifacts you get from the algorithm. Any opinons how how realistic these continents look? I have been playing with fractal wo...
by garysk
Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:31 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Is the worldwide popularity of (grape) wine a coincidence?
Replies: 44
Views: 4128

Re: Is the worldwide popularity of (grape) wine a coincidenc

recipe for bramble wine Sal, is the "bramble" the same thing that we USAns call "blackberry"? The discovery of fire definitely predates humanity, but there is no archaeological evidence for the production of alcoholic beverages before the domestication of plants. Who before "humanity" discovered fi...
by garysk
Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:41 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Standard Pop Accent (con-accent)
Replies: 1
Views: 935

Re: Standard Pop Accent (con-accent)

To my ear (though notoriously of tin), the difference between "hot" and non-rhotic "heart" is simply one of length: hot has /a/ and heart has /a:/.
by garysk
Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:56 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Premise for a theocratic matriarchy I want feedback on
Replies: 14
Views: 2194

Re: Premise for a theocratic matriarchy I want feedback on

It seems that the question of which sex is the more powerful can lead to fruitless debate. The contributions of a sex to the general well-being of a society have to be examined in the context of the length of time it takes members to exercise their power. If the females are the ones to get pregnant ...
by garysk
Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:53 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Is the worldwide popularity of (grape) wine a coincidence?
Replies: 44
Views: 4128

Re: Is the worldwide popularity of (grape) wine a coincidenc

Humans like alcohol. Anything that will ferment will make alcohol. Sometimes the by-products or residues are not tasty, but the alcohol content usually makes up for that. It seems likely that beer (fermented grain... there's your rice connection) was among the first alcoholic beverages. Some fruits,...
by garysk
Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:38 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Count to ten in your conlangs
Replies: 30
Views: 3836

Re: Count to ten in your conlangs

And the link should be part of his signature on this board, at the very least. Otherwise providing him data is throwing straw into a deep dark chasm.