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by tiramisu
Sun May 06, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 221067

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I say the voiced variant. It's been a source of controversy. Where are you from?
by tiramisu
Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:34 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discuss

Sorry about the late response, on my own thread... it's testimony to how busy I've been and how little I'm checking the board these days. Likewise, my apologies for my earlier posts, both of which were written in a tired state and were all mixed up. (I edited them and fixed them before your last res...
by tiramisu
Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:14 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discuss

So I would need to both make the agent ergative (although it remains formally intransitive) and add the preposition explicitly?

yáłtabit káyb ʔam thā́niya
adopt.PERF dog with another-ABS
Some dogs have adopted another
by tiramisu
Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:25 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Cuneiform!]

I'm thinking about introducing ergativity into the language, to work out a certain problem I'm having. I'm a bit unversed in ergative languages, though, and am hesitant to work with something I know so little about. So perhaps those of you who are more familiar may be able to help me. yáłbit ward ká...
by tiramisu
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:03 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

It will be a few months before I work on a Part 2. I'm in the middle of a very busy half-year.
by tiramisu
Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:01 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

Right, /sp/ was an illegal cluster. In Arabic's case, the metathesis began by phonological processes, and then spread through analogy. In Proto-Semitic, the t- metathesized when the first radical of the stem was a sibilant. Arabic -- the Semitic hyper-leveller -- extended this to all consonants, thu...
by tiramisu
Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:21 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

Zaarin wrote: The end result won't look much like the extant Indo-European languages, but the weird thing is just how Afro-Asiatic PIE itself looks. Makes me wish I had the time to give the idea a try myself.
*insert comments about Nostratic*
by tiramisu
Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:52 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

This idea came to me when I was trying to sleep, so it probably isn't the greatest ever, but: how about showing an example of a triconsonantal conlang derived from (a necessarily tweaked version of) PIE, or something like Latin? It would be interesting. Maybe I'll take a stab at it in the future, u...
by tiramisu
Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:13 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

Anyway, sorry about that. Please do leave constructive feedback if you have any, folks. Most of Sal's feedback was helpful and welcome, especially in his first post, but in his second as well; thank you, Sal. Just please be thoughtful about the fact that I just spent way more time putting this toget...
by tiramisu
Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:50 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

Thanks for your input. Glad, also, that your response to my draft of something this community has been lacking for a long time is "Don't bother. I'll create a better example for people to follow one day, maybe" instead of "I would have taken a different approach, but here's some constructive feedbac...
by tiramisu
Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:52 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

Thanks guys. I'm not sure that it is unrealistic to just throw in random vowels. It is very unrealistic to just throw in random vowels. Maybe not for you, Sal, who I suspect could write up a decent triconsonantal conlang on your own and using your own method. Certainly diachronic isn't the only appr...
by tiramisu
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:42 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Re: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (be

The next post will be a while coming. It took nearly two days to put this first post together for you. It's still sloppy and incomplete, and needs a lot of editing and improvement still. I have some regrets, since I expected the total project to be a one-day project when I began, and now I either ha...
by tiramisu
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:36 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)
Replies: 42
Views: 7963

Tutorial: Making a Realistic Triconsonantal Language (beta)

Paren pindās ma paned bi-yakus asen pasneddā! Part 1/2 Every so often, a thread appears asking for help with creating a triconsonantal conlang. And indeed, there is a severe shortage of a priori triconsonantal conlangs. As someone who is in frequent use of 4 or 5 Semitic languages (depending on how...
by tiramisu
Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:39 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Making a Triconsonantal Root Language
Replies: 4
Views: 860

Re: Making a Triconsonantal Root Language

Not quite as grand as I remembered, but here is the first post I gave with generic advice. Subsequent posts also give advice, but are tailored to advise about a specific conlang.
by tiramisu
Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:17 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Making a Triconsonantal Root Language
Replies: 4
Views: 860

Re: Making a Triconsonantal Root Language

Some that I have seen, such as the Semitic languages, derive from Proto-Afro-Asiatic, which had bi-consonantal roots FYI: This is one of those pesky theories that flloats around, sounds nice and interesting, offers an answer to an unknown thing, and is spread around by hobbyists who don't have enou...
by tiramisu
Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:42 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: In-jokes/References/Easter Eggs in your conlang's lexicon
Replies: 45
Views: 4844

Re: In-jokes/References/Easter Eggs in your conlang's lexico

By coincidence, sound change rules apparently make "daughter" [bɪtʃ] in my Semitic language.
by tiramisu
Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:31 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

Topic: Pre-Classical Sebastic, Orthography, Cuneiform Pre-Classical Sebastic Pre-Classical Sebastic refers to Sebastic writings that predate the Sebastic literary period. The language appears to be characterized by the following features. Phonology -Lack of vowel reduction -Absence of /dʒ/ -Presence...
by tiramisu
Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:45 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

I'm putting a stop to the identity discussions. See above. I think I understand what you're saying about a non-Abrahamic religion, maybe. It is definitely meant to have Sebastic elements and traditions imported from their former faith, and they have scriptures written in Sebastic. (One psalm from th...
by tiramisu
Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:30 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

It's a problem if you have to go all the way to Iraq to find an example of a community that spoke Arabic but remained distinct in identify from the Arabs. With all that said, this is not a thread on Palestinianness or identity. (You're welcome to open one up in Ephemera, if it pleases you). I'm not ...
by tiramisu
Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:11 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

That seems silly. They do speak Arabic as a bilingual community. Syriac-speaking communities in Lebanon and Syria (almost non-existent today, but were once larger) have long identified as Arabs. The equivalent doesn't exist in Palestine, only because Syriac died out there already and there were no b...
by tiramisu
Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:47 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

Well, they're a subset of Palestinian. That is, they identify with the Palestinians and the Palestinians consider them one of their own. This is unlike, say, the Armenians, who have lived in the area just as long but never identified themselves with the Arabs. With that said, the Palestinians are no...
by tiramisu
Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:00 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

Ahlan wa sahlan :) I don't think we should have any disagreements. I shy away from politics in this project, and nothing I've posted should be debatable. As you can see from the history in the earlier post, the only thing I really even touch on with modern history is what I need to touch on in order...
by tiramisu
Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:10 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

Palestinians. Not sure how/why they could be Druze; the post about the Sebastic speakers that I linked in the previous post explains that they are a Christian community. Certainly most of the Galilean speakers are Israeli citizens.
by tiramisu
Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:43 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Ergativity? Discussion)
Replies: 44
Views: 8951

Re: Sebastic (Semitic lang) Workpad [NP: Modern dialects:SOU

They are all spoken in our universe. They all exist in 'different universes,' in the sense that I don't have them interacting with each other in any way. Nothing happens to the Jews-- why would it affect them? Sebastic has nothing to do with them. This is a map of the Sebastic communities in Palesti...