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CatDoom, see https://archive.org/details/CompendiumL ... icarum1989 at p. 294 onwards.

I find it funny that people hate the use of grammatically plural "they" for logically singular situations and who then get further bent out of shape when people start rationalizing the grammatically plural form by using logically singular formants such as "themself." Diachronic number does not comma...

Khotanese Pronouns . 1st Sing. N : /azu/ <aysu> <-- Beekes: <*h₁eǵ(oH/Hom) >; Sihler: <*eǵoH >; SKT <aham>; Thmsq. <azu> A : /ma, muho/ <ma, muho> <-- Beekes: <?*h₁mé>; Sihler: <?*h₁mé>; Thmsq. <mvo> (/ma/ may have been enclitic?) GD : /mamə/ <mamə> <-- Beekes: <*h₁méne>; Sihler: <*mé-me> IA : /ma ...

Khotanese (and Tumshuqese) . Khotanese Phonology (with references to Brahmic Orthography): Consonants (not sure whether this represents a later or earlier state) /pʰ, tʰ, tsʰ, ʈʰ, ʈʂʰ, tɕʰ, kʰ/ <pʰ, tʰ, ts, ʈʰ, kʂ, tɕʰ, kʰ> /p, t, ts, ʈ, tɕ [also c?], k, ʔ/ <p, tt, tc, ʈ, tɕ [ky], k, unknown> /b, d...

Sogdian Pronouns and Demonstratives . Pronouns . 1st Singular Direct : <(ə)zu> Oblique : <mana> Enclitic : <mi:, -m> 1st Plural Direct : <ma:x> Oblique : < ma:x > Enclitic : <man> 2d Singular Direct : <taɣu> Oblique : <tawa> Enclitic : <fi:, -f> 2d Plural Direct : <(ə)šma:x> Oblique : <(ə)šma:x> En...

Bactrian Pronouns and Demonstratives . Transcriptions are very rough and based on the source below, with the addition of my own idea that /Cʰ/ is still possible. Personal Pronouns : 1st Sing Direct : <αζο> /?a{-z-, -ʣ- (?), -ž- (?)}o/ <-- Oblique : <μανο> /?mano/ <-- Enclitic : <-μο, -μαγο with PRE...

Old-Persian~Avestan Pronouns . Near-Deictic (proximal to first) . This series appears to follow the Sanskrit <idam> paradigm. Dem. pron: <*ima-, a-> (see alternate proximal below) Singular . N : <M.: *ai̯am; N.: *im-at; F.: *ii̯am> <-- Beekes: <*>; SKT: <M: ayam; N: idam; F: iyam> A : <M.: *im-am; ...

Old-Persian~Avestan Pronouns . 1st Sing . V : <?> <-- Beekes: <?> ; Sihler: <?> N : <aj́am> <-- Beekes: <*h₁eǵ(oH/Hom)> ; Sihler: <*eǵoH>; SKT: <aham> A : <ma:m> <-- Beekes: <*h₁mé>; Sihler: <*m-mé (> *mé)>; SKT: <ma:m> A Enclitic : ma: <-- Beekes: <*h₁me>; Sihler: <*me> SKT: <ma:> G : <ma-na> <-- ...

And different from everyone I know, I say /ʊ/ instead of /u/ in the cases of /hʊvz/ "hooves", /ɻʊf/ "roof", and /ɻʊt/ "root". That's not to odd; I think it's the Philly accent. I sporadically have that change, i.e. /hʊvz/ , but /ɻut/ and /ɻuf/. At least the latter is a hyper-correction, but I wonde...

I wanted to kick this thread back in gear with a topic related to the Dardic (and Nuristani languages). I feel that this branch of IE and this geographic region has a decent amount of info available but not in a very centralized format. The following is a discussion of the phonology of several middl...

Hey Clawgrip, do you remember what thread this was split off of? I am trying to find some links I left in the original.

EDIT: NM, I found it.

If you want to make your swamp 100% better, I give you: http://www.bbc.com/travel/slideshow/201 ... id-rainbow

I linked something about the Haida one here a year or two ago . . . cannot find it now.

A word like 'ss' can't be even shouted so I wouldn't allow such a thing in my phonotactics. Perhaps not by you as a non-native speaker. Don't be too quick. The link you gave shows that Miyako can be sung (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rjl0XOfhPM) another even shows an odd country music song. Is ...

I think that at some point in time much of North America between the Rockies and Appalachian mountains was a shallow inland sea/swamp. Maybe there were some pretty intense mangroves . . . ?

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Interior_Seaway

<rather> [ɻɑðɚ] or perhaps better transcribed as [ɻɑðɻ̩]. Not sure if those are actually different or not. A lot of my /ɻ/s are also strongly labialized, as in <red>, but I feel like it is not in the case of <rather>. I cannot figure out what the triggering condition is, perhaps labialized if follow...

Astraios wrote:I was talking to someone online and realised I've never heard an American say "[place] way" as a reply to "where do you live" or "where are you from". Does it occur?

... what? Haha. That needs an example.

I can think of an easy, if perhaps ugly way. Simply use an entry for a phoneme, say /t/. Then, following that entry list the allophones and in what context they appear. Perhaps organized as allophones which are nasal, stop, fricative, affricative, etc.

Is there a list or resource of common allophones?

If not, it might be a useful project for board members to get together and make one for the L&L museum.

Oh nice! Thanks so much.

PIE tech question, did pie have common terms for grapes/wine, grains/beer, honey/mead? And were the precoursers/products distinct if PIE had common terms?

I found a good survey in Language Sciences 28 (2006) -- its the special issue . . . I think the issue number was 2-3. It covers a few universals and about 8 languages, half of which are PNG languages.

"Recognize" without /g/ strikes me as an AAVE thing, but there are a lot of things that strike me as AAVE things that are probably just not as conservative as what I'd say. (Do white people say "put it up" for "put it away"?) I might say [ɹæ̃ː], but not when I'm paying attention -- it's [ɹæ̃ːɞ̯nd] ...

Anyone notice a similarity between the Etruscan -sa or -isa, "son of" patronymic suggested here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language#History_of_Etruscan_literacy and the Eteo-Cypriot <a-ri-si-to-no- se a-ra-to-wa-na-ka-so-ko-o- se > "to Ariston (son of) Aristonax" suggested here http://en...

I've notice that WALS has two chapters on body-part lexical typology: hand v. arm and hand v. finger. Does anyone know of a more comprehensive -- and hopefully comparative -- source for body-part term organization schemes? EDIT: also of value, comparative sources on languages using body-part countin...