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by Zju
Mon May 21, 2018 2:58 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
Replies: 2538
Views: 587191

Re: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")

Any interest in reviving? Or else, revealing the original grammars? I'm interested in everything connected to this relay. Especially if it's a reconstruction of Proto-Ronquian, but of course that would have to come from Team Two. Zju? Pole? KathAveara? Any of you up for continuing with that? (I don...
by Zju
Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:38 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 467550

Re: Romanization challenge thread

you are like a little baby. watch this XO̲WA HYUSMA̲ XWL̥HNO̲X NE̲ HE̲ST, SU̲ HE̲CWUMs DERCT. SU̲ QRXẂ̲M WU̲JUM WEJED; SU̲ ME̲₭XM B́U̲RUM; SU̲ D́JE̲MUNM XÚ̲CẂ B́ERED. XU̲WIs HE̲CUYB́YUs WEWCED: “D́JE̲MUNM SPE̲CYUX HE̲CWUMs-CE XO̲₭ETI, CÉR MUY UȻNẂTUR”. HE̲CWÚs TẂ WEWCUND: “CLẂD́I̲, XUWA! TU̲D SPE̲C...
by Zju
Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Help your fluency in a nifty way
Replies: 4604
Views: 730669

Re: Help your fluency in a nifty way

E hiahia rawa ana au, engari nā wai e whakaako au? Koe? Kāo... Ka whakaako kē koe i a au ki te reo Swahili :P I really want to, but who will teach me? You? No... You're already gonna teach me Swahili Unaishi Nyuzilandi. Hakuna kozi za jioni karibu na unapoishi? You live in New Zealand. Aren't there...
by Zju
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:03 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 467550

Re: Romanization challenge thread

Attempt at PIE orthography: /*m *n/ <m n> /*p *t *ḱ *k *kʷ/ <p t c k kw> /(*b) *d *ǵ *g *gʷ/ <b' d' j' g' gw'> /*bʰ *dʰ *ǵʰ *gʰ *gʷʰ/ <b d j g gw> /*s *h₁ *h₂ *h₃/ <s h x x'> /*r *l/ <r l> /*y *w/ <i u> /*i *u *e *o *eː *oː (*a)/ <i u e o ē ō a> Here <'> merely indicates markedness. Schleicher's fab...
by Zju
Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:25 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Romanization challenge thread
Replies: 3842
Views: 467550

Re: Romanization challenge thread

/ɾo̞.mäj.kä/ <Romajka> /p pʰː b t tʰː d c̠ c̠ʰː ɟ̠ k kʰː ɡ/ <p pp b t tt d ky kky gy k kk g> /m mː n nː/ <m mm n nn> /ɾ/ <r> /f fː θ θː ð ðː s sː z h/ <f ff th tth dh ddh s ss z h> /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ch gh> /β̞ j ɰ/ <v j w> /ɫ̪* l l̠ʲ/ <l l ly> *in Turkish loanwords only, not distinguished orthographically ...
by Zju
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:24 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Here's an alternative solution: PIE k'er, "head", from which "horn" is derived, and Afroasiatic qar, "horn" (seen in Egyptian and Omotic as well as in Semitic), are simply two words in unrelated languages that simply happen to look somewhat alike if you squint. If there was no linguistic contact, h...
by Zju
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:32 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

The similarity between PIE *ḱerh₂- 'horn' and PS *qarn- 'horn' seems to have been noticed, but has anyone considered it in depth? Since the PIE word is a possible derivation of *ḱer- 'to grow, increase' maybe we're looking at a PIE borrowing in PS. But then the 'grow, increase' root is also reconst...
by Zju
Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:36 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

The similarity between PIE *ḱerh₂- 'horn' and PS *qarn- 'horn' seems to have been noticed, but has anyone considered it in depth? Since the PIE word is a possible derivation of *ḱer- 'to grow, increase' maybe we're looking at a PIE borrowing in PS. But then the 'grow, increase' root is also reconstr...
by Zju
Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:24 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
Replies: 14
Views: 2302

Re: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?

/n/ > /ŋ/ in all syllable codas/preconsonantally, resulting in forms like /ʒɛŋt/ < /ʒɛnt/ - in a number of varieties in Northern Italy /n/ > /ŋ/ intervocalically via an intermediate stage of /ŋn/ - it only mentioned this as happening in Piedmontese, but it seems from this map it occurred elsewhere,...
by Zju
Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:33 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
Replies: 14
Views: 2302

Re: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?

Earlier nasalized vowel? Could be, though are nasalised vowels known to have occured in Northern Italian at some point, and is V[+nasal] > V[-nasal]ŋ / _n attetsted? Vn / _n or just V / _n seems a much more natural outcome. It was a typo in the Basque dictionary, people!!! But typo in which word???
by Zju
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:58 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
Replies: 14
Views: 2302

Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?

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Look at Northern Italy - where did the velar nasal come from, given that there wasn't any velar element in the vicinity? There's other interesting stuff going on, too, but this caught my eye the most.
by Zju
Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:17 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Well, all of that makes a lot of sense to me, but is there any precedent for a voiced fricative producing distinctive vowel coloring? For that matter, is there precedent for rounding blocking a vowel-coloring effect? Does anyone know how to search wiktionary for PIE words? It has a fair number of r...
by Zju
Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:57 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

OTOH the dissimilation may be something other than voiced stop to a voiced fricative. Your thoughts? In this model, what causes the different vowel coloring of h₂ vs. h₃? Note that Carrasquer Vidal has suggested that *k (i.e. not *kʷ or *ḱ) had the same vowel coloring effect as h₂ does. So, this is...
by Zju
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:36 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

On another note, has anyone attempted to reconcile *kap- 'seize, grasp' and *gʰebʰ-, *gʰabʰ- 'give', 'seize, take', 'have, hold'? It seems as if it has something to do with the PIE constraint against TVDʰ and DʰVT roots...
by Zju
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:08 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

This article offers some pretty solid etymologies and it relies on *gʷ...gʷ dissimilating to *gʷ...h₃u - which points to dorsals and laryngals being the following: <g gʷ h₃> = /ɡ ɡw ɣ/ or /ɡ ɡʷ ɣ/ <k kʷ h₂> = /k kw x/ or /k kʷ x/ <ḱ ǵ> = pre-velars <ǵʰ gʰ gʷʰ> = breathy voiced or otherwise more mar...
by Zju
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:15 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 342469

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Others not likely without similar shifts affecting /k/ in other environments. How big is the pohonology? It looks roughly like that: /m n/ /p b t d (tʃ) k ɡ/ /f v (θ) s z (ʃ) x/ /l r j w/ Later on, /tʃ ʃ/ → /tʃˠ ʃˠ/ → /tsx sx/. Edit: Would it be plausible to have /θ/ → (fortition) /tθ/ → /tx/ inste...
by Zju
Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:55 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Why did PG *gulþą 'gold' give OE gold and not *golth? Why did middle Dutch golt, gout 'id' give Dutch goud - how did final voicing happen?
by Zju
Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:21 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Protolang Reconstruction Challenge (Akana)
Replies: 23
Views: 8634

Re: Protolang Reconstruction Challenge (Akana)

Reconsidering the numerals again, Cednìtit otʰ may not be a cognate to the other words for one at all: why would it lose initial n, yet nətʰ retain it? Considering that and the fact it has just one segment in common with others (tʰ may not be due to analogy, but original), the case for being a cogna...
by Zju
Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:16 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 224345

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

<snip> I strongly suggest you actually familiarise yourself with PIE, because it's really not hard to disprove this. For starters, Greek and Indo-Iranian are not the be-all-end-all of distinguishing *D and *Dʰ. Germanic reflects these as *T and *D, for example, and di-aspirate roots therefore show ...
by Zju
Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:28 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
Replies: 2538
Views: 587191

Re: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")

Oh, don't be sad. We can always try and find some incriminating photos of Ivan Derzhanski and blackmail the IOLing Board into putting the Proto-T1 as the Team Contest problem. :P I'm not sure if I'd be more interested in seeing the latter or the former. Might even ha*ahem* some semi fitting materia...
by Zju
Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:22 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Voynich manuscript
Replies: 40
Views: 8600

Re: Voynich manuscript

Then there's also the possibility it's a natlang. I recall hearing it having some of the properties of East Asian languages, such as, iirc, full-word reduplication. It could be, but there are words being repeated three times. No language known to have ever existed does that AFAIK. The only way I ca...
by Zju
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:51 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Voynich manuscript
Replies: 40
Views: 8600

Re: Voynich manuscript

I couldn't find the original claim, but apparently the hypothesis had something to do with the drawings of baths and fountains. There are large sections dedicated to botany and astrology, which is suggestive of a medical or alchemical text. I still prefer this theory, though: https://xkcd.com/593/ ...
by Zju
Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:10 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Third-person verbal morphology
Replies: 19
Views: 3025

Re: Third-person verbal morphology

Are there any languages in which verbs inflect differently in the third person depending on whether the subject is nominal or pronominal, or on some other factor for that matter? Pertinent to this is the inflection -nte in Quenya, which is glossed as something like "3p when subject is not previousl...
by Zju
Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:50 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
Replies: 2538
Views: 587191

Re: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")

The CR'14 forum seems to have moved to a new domain and a few forum type. What's up with that?

And while on this topic, I'm still planning on continuing my PR reconstruction some time, just need to figure out when.
by Zju
Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:04 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
Replies: 217
Views: 33704

Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...

What are the best papers/websites to get acquainted myself with the latest developments and understandings of Proto-Yukaghir and and Proto-Uralic reconstructions and of their last common predecesor? Are you on academia.edu? Their in-site search function isn't that great, so I recommend doing search...