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- Mon May 21, 2018 2:58 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 900086
Re: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
Any interest in reviving? Or else, revealing the original grammars? I'm interested in everything connected to this relay. Especially if it's a reconstruction of Proto-Ronquian, but of course that would have to come from Team Two. Zju? Pole? KathAveara? Any of you up for continuing with that? (I don...
- Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:38 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 868929
Re: Romanization challenge thread
you are like a little baby. watch this XO̲WA HYUSMA̲ XWL̥HNO̲X NE̲ HE̲ST, SU̲ HE̲CWUMs DERCT. SU̲ QRXẂ̲M WU̲JUM WEJED; SU̲ ME̲₭XM B́U̲RUM; SU̲ D́JE̲MUNM XÚ̲CẂ B́ERED. XU̲WIs HE̲CUYB́YUs WEWCED: “D́JE̲MUNM SPE̲CYUX HE̲CWUMs-CE XO̲₭ETI, CÉR MUY UȻNẂTUR”. HE̲CWÚs TẂ WEWCUND: “CLẂD́I̲, XUWA! TU̲D SPE̲C...
- Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:36 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Help your fluency in a nifty way
- Replies: 4604
- Views: 1142701
Re: Help your fluency in a nifty way
E hiahia rawa ana au, engari nā wai e whakaako au? Koe? Kāo... Ka whakaako kē koe i a au ki te reo Swahili :P I really want to, but who will teach me? You? No... You're already gonna teach me Swahili Unaishi Nyuzilandi. Hakuna kozi za jioni karibu na unapoishi? You live in New Zealand. Aren't there...
- Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:03 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 868929
Re: Romanization challenge thread
Attempt at PIE orthography: /*m *n/ <m n> /*p *t *ḱ *k *kʷ/ <p t c k kw> /(*b) *d *ǵ *g *gʷ/ <b' d' j' g' gw'> /*bʰ *dʰ *ǵʰ *gʰ *gʷʰ/ <b d j g gw> /*s *h₁ *h₂ *h₃/ <s h x x'> /*r *l/ <r l> /*y *w/ <i u> /*i *u *e *o *eː *oː (*a)/ <i u e o ē ō a> Here <'> merely indicates markedness. Schleicher's fab...
- Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:25 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 868929
Re: Romanization challenge thread
/ɾo̞.mäj.kä/ <Romajka> /p pʰː b t tʰː d c̠ c̠ʰː ɟ̠ k kʰː ɡ/ <p pp b t tt d ky kky gy k kk g> /m mː n nː/ <m mm n nn> /ɾ/ <r> /f fː θ θː ð ðː s sː z h/ <f ff th tth dh ddh s ss z h> /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ch gh> /β̞ j ɰ/ <v j w> /ɫ̪* l l̠ʲ/ <l l ly> *in Turkish loanwords only, not distinguished orthographically ...
- Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:24 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Here's an alternative solution: PIE k'er, "head", from which "horn" is derived, and Afroasiatic qar, "horn" (seen in Egyptian and Omotic as well as in Semitic), are simply two words in unrelated languages that simply happen to look somewhat alike if you squint. If there was no linguistic contact, h...
- Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:32 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
The similarity between PIE *ḱerh₂- 'horn' and PS *qarn- 'horn' seems to have been noticed, but has anyone considered it in depth? Since the PIE word is a possible derivation of *ḱer- 'to grow, increase' maybe we're looking at a PIE borrowing in PS. But then the 'grow, increase' root is also reconst...
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:36 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
The similarity between PIE *ḱerh₂- 'horn' and PS *qarn- 'horn' seems to have been noticed, but has anyone considered it in depth? Since the PIE word is a possible derivation of *ḱer- 'to grow, increase' maybe we're looking at a PIE borrowing in PS. But then the 'grow, increase' root is also reconstr...
- Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:24 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4945
Re: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
/n/ > /ŋ/ in all syllable codas/preconsonantally, resulting in forms like /ʒɛŋt/ < /ʒɛnt/ - in a number of varieties in Northern Italy /n/ > /ŋ/ intervocalically via an intermediate stage of /ŋn/ - it only mentioned this as happening in Piedmontese, but it seems from this map it occurred elsewhere,...
- Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:33 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4945
Re: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
Earlier nasalized vowel? Could be, though are nasalised vowels known to have occured in Northern Italian at some point, and is V[+nasal] > V[-nasal]ŋ / _n attetsted? Vn / _n or just V / _n seems a much more natural outcome. It was a typo in the Basque dictionary, people!!! But typo in which word???
- Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:58 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4945
Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
Look at Northern Italy - where did the velar nasal come from, given that there wasn't any velar element in the vicinity? There's other interesting stuff going on, too, but this caught my eye the most.
- Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:17 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Well, all of that makes a lot of sense to me, but is there any precedent for a voiced fricative producing distinctive vowel coloring? For that matter, is there precedent for rounding blocking a vowel-coloring effect? Does anyone know how to search wiktionary for PIE words? It has a fair number of r...
- Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:57 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
OTOH the dissimilation may be something other than voiced stop to a voiced fricative. Your thoughts? In this model, what causes the different vowel coloring of h₂ vs. h₃? Note that Carrasquer Vidal has suggested that *k (i.e. not *kʷ or *ḱ) had the same vowel coloring effect as h₂ does. So, this is...
- Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:36 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
On another note, has anyone attempted to reconcile *kap- 'seize, grasp' and *gʰebʰ-, *gʰabʰ- 'give', 'seize, take', 'have, hold'? It seems as if it has something to do with the PIE constraint against TVDʰ and DʰVT roots...
- Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:08 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
This article offers some pretty solid etymologies and it relies on *gʷ...gʷ dissimilating to *gʷ...h₃u - which points to dorsals and laryngals being the following: <g gʷ h₃> = /ɡ ɡw ɣ/ or /ɡ ɡʷ ɣ/ <k kʷ h₂> = /k kw x/ or /k kʷ x/ <ḱ ǵ> = pre-velars <ǵʰ gʰ gʷʰ> = breathy voiced or otherwise more mar...
- Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:15 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 631488
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Others not likely without similar shifts affecting /k/ in other environments. How big is the pohonology? It looks roughly like that: /m n/ /p b t d (tʃ) k ɡ/ /f v (θ) s z (ʃ) x/ /l r j w/ Later on, /tʃ ʃ/ → /tʃˠ ʃˠ/ → /tsx sx/. Edit: Would it be plausible to have /θ/ → (fortition) /tθ/ → /tx/ inste...
- Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:55 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Why did PG *gulþą 'gold' give OE gold and not *golth? Why did middle Dutch golt, gout 'id' give Dutch goud - how did final voicing happen?
- Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:21 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Protolang Reconstruction Challenge (Akana)
- Replies: 23
- Views: 14501
Re: Protolang Reconstruction Challenge (Akana)
Reconsidering the numerals again, Cednìtit otʰ may not be a cognate to the other words for one at all: why would it lose initial n, yet nətʰ retain it? Considering that and the fact it has just one segment in common with others (tʰ may not be due to analogy, but original), the case for being a cogna...
- Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:16 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462552
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
<snip> I strongly suggest you actually familiarise yourself with PIE, because it's really not hard to disprove this. For starters, Greek and Indo-Iranian are not the be-all-end-all of distinguishing *D and *Dʰ. Germanic reflects these as *T and *D, for example, and di-aspirate roots therefore show ...
- Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:28 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 900086
Re: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
Oh, don't be sad. We can always try and find some incriminating photos of Ivan Derzhanski and blackmail the IOLing Board into putting the Proto-T1 as the Team Contest problem. :P I'm not sure if I'd be more interested in seeing the latter or the former. Might even ha*ahem* some semi fitting materia...
- Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:22 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Voynich manuscript
- Replies: 40
- Views: 20968
Re: Voynich manuscript
Then there's also the possibility it's a natlang. I recall hearing it having some of the properties of East Asian languages, such as, iirc, full-word reduplication. It could be, but there are words being repeated three times. No language known to have ever existed does that AFAIK. The only way I ca...
- Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:51 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Voynich manuscript
- Replies: 40
- Views: 20968
Re: Voynich manuscript
I couldn't find the original claim, but apparently the hypothesis had something to do with the drawings of baths and fountains. There are large sections dedicated to botany and astrology, which is suggestive of a medical or alchemical text. I still prefer this theory, though: https://xkcd.com/593/ ...
- Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:10 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Third-person verbal morphology
- Replies: 19
- Views: 6555
Re: Third-person verbal morphology
Are there any languages in which verbs inflect differently in the third person depending on whether the subject is nominal or pronominal, or on some other factor for that matter? Pertinent to this is the inflection -nte in Quenya, which is glossed as something like "3p when subject is not previousl...
- Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:50 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 900086
Re: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
The CR'14 forum seems to have moved to a new domain and a few forum type. What's up with that?
And while on this topic, I'm still planning on continuing my PR reconstruction some time, just need to figure out when.
And while on this topic, I'm still planning on continuing my PR reconstruction some time, just need to figure out when.
- Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:04 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
- Replies: 217
- Views: 82951
Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
What are the best papers/websites to get acquainted myself with the latest developments and understandings of Proto-Yukaghir and and Proto-Uralic reconstructions and of their last common predecesor? Are you on academia.edu? Their in-site search function isn't that great, so I recommend doing search...