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- Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:37 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Esperntaĉ - Esperanto descendants scratchpad
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2374
- Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:30 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
Re: araceli's nominal system
Ah, right! Things are clearer now and in a good way. I had been worried there'd be too much redundancy in this system, but it looks like there's not. The animacy hierarchy handles case and the classes handle number, so they have a division of labour. Does the class system govern anything else, say ...
- Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:34 am
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: The Contradictory Feelings Thread
- Replies: 933
- Views: 211956
Re: The Contradictory Feelings Thread
We'll keep our collective fingers collectively crossed for you.
- Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:03 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
Re: araceli's nominal system
I should maybe mention that my intention was to create something which (1) is messy enough to look like it could have developed organically in several stages and (2) is elaborate enough to simplify in interestingly different directions in descendant languages. I suppose it could be postulated that t...
- Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:07 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
Re: araceli's nominal system
Here's the last bit; I don't know if it will enlighten you at all though. Interesting multiple class relationships As well as singular and plural, further categories of number, countability, size, and so on may be expressed by changing classes. For example, "eye(2)" (of small animate gender) is actu...
- Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:22 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
Re: araceli's nominal system
OK then. Let's do this properly. Class and number On the basis of morphology, nineteen distinct classes may be identified. The classes are referred to here by their conventional numbers, which appear after the noun in brackets, e.g. "thing(12)"; the examples should be regarded as typical, but not ex...
- Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:18 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
Re: araceli's nominal system
The Management wrote:We apologise for the delay. Those responsible have been destroyed in controlled explosions and the bits recycled to make new phonemes. We can now return to araceli's nominal system.
- Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:50 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
Re: araceli's nominal system
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- Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:49 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
Re: araceli's nominal system
Right then. There are currently four types of case: Core cases , for agents and patients. Agents are never less animate than patients, as stated above. Possessive cases , alienable and inalienable; inanimates can never have inalienable possession. For example, in "the dog's bone", the use of inalien...
- Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:12 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: araceli's nominal system
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3595
araceli's nominal system
Araceli, you are knowledgeable, erudite, and witty, and the board has improved immeasurably since you joined. But you've been here for more than a year and have done little to justify yourself as a conlanger beyond asking a few stupid questions. Do you have anything to show for yourself, or are we ...
- Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:13 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Phoneme frequencies within various languages
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1539
Phoneme frequencies within various languages
Google only turns up results for English, French, Dutch, and Spanish, and even then you have to poke around quite a bit. Does anybody know of any more, by any chance? Note that I'm referring to *within*, not *across*, languages; for example the commonest consonant in English is /n/, but in French it...
- Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:56 pm
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: Linguistic Quackery Thread, take 2
- Replies: 812
- Views: 209115
Re: Linguistic Quackery Thread, take 2
Err... "dismantle and outsource the plausibility structure of the autochthonous people"?????
- Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:59 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: "Behind" versus "In back of"
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3932
"Behind" versus "In back of"
Do you have a preference? For me it's always "behind".
- Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:14 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The last vowel in "difficult"
- Replies: 13
- Views: 3730
The last vowel in "difficult"
Presumably this is typically a syllabic /l/, although to me it sounds more like /ɔ/, and I used to know someone who had /ʌ/. What other vowels do ZBBers have here?
- Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:11 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: English words with four CONSONANTS!!! in the coda
- Replies: 18
- Views: 4729
Re: English words with four syllables in the coda
He presumably meant "jinxed". "HE"? I did indeed; not for the first time, someone gets tripped up between the meaning of <j> in different phonological transcription traditions. And of course, I meant "four consonants". Thank you, Sal. "Lengths" and "strengths" work if you have one of those dialects...
- Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:59 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: English words with four CONSONANTS!!! in the coda
- Replies: 18
- Views: 4729
English words with four CONSONANTS!!! in the coda
I can only think of /teksts/ and /jinkst/. Are there any more?
- Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Name my dictatorship
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2463
Re: Name my dictatorship
How about "Kevin", or "Derek"?
- Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:00 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Of sound symbolism and the word "zigzag"
- Replies: 18
- Views: 4546
Of sound symbolism and the word "zigzag"
My spies tell me that "zigzag" comes from the German Zickzack , "possibly a reduplication of Zacke ". What other vowel alternations exist (in any language) which express back-and-forthness like this? There's Welsh igamogam , but that's due to the prepositions i and o more than to actual sound symbol...
- Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:52 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: [x] in loanwords to English
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4751
Re: [x] in loanwords to English
Indeed. Only a Sassenach would pronounce "loch" with a final /k/.linguoboy wrote:Some varieties of English maintain /x/ as [x], notably Irish-English and Scottish-English.
- Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:50 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Spanish "masculine" girls names
- Replies: 23
- Views: 5354
Re: Spanish "masculine" girls names
I.e. those which end in /o/. IMHO it seems she's interested in what the end-result looks like in Spanish, not what origins they happen to come from. But I could be in error. Araceli, quid dicis? Actually, I originally just wanted to know how many Spanish girls' names ended in /o/. But then the thre...
- Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:17 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Elsewise
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2921
Re: Elsewise
I have occasionally come across "elsewhen", for what that's worth.
- Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:49 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: /j/ to /dʒ/ in Romance
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5270
Re: /j/ to /dʒ/ in Romance
A fourth category would be the OCD-type , where a gap in the system gets fixed by transferring a sound for no other reason from one part of the "IPA table" to another. Often this involves changes in one of the others, but they often make less sense phonologically. The Argentinian change of intervoc...
- Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:41 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 462191
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
The main problem with PIE is that it's like the worst kind of bumpy carpet: you try to remove one bump and several other bumps pop up elsewhere. An important part of PIE studies is learning which bumps to accept.
- Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Spanish "masculine" girls names
- Replies: 23
- Views: 5354
Re: Spanish "masculine" girls names
My Spanish sister-in-law likes to say, "Every woman in Spain is named for Mary." ( Purificación is one of her middle names.) The singer Monserrat Cabellé has gone on record saying, "My name is María." (In full, she's María de Montserrat Bibiana Concepción Caballé i Folch .) Ah, we have Montserrat t...
- Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:28 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Spanish "masculine" girls names
- Replies: 23
- Views: 5354
Re: Spanish "masculine" girls names
And Araceli. And Aracelli.linguoboy wrote:Examples not ending in o: Carmen. Montserrat. Pilar.