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- Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:22 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: A Japanese based conlang
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10352
Re: A Japanese based conlang
Sorry. I really shouldn't of done that. My (pathetic, really) reason for doing so is that <wo> struck me as naggingly un-Japanese.
- Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: A Japanese based conlang
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10352
Re: A Japanese based conlang
Fair enough. Personally though, my inspiration usually comes from things I know, whether it be a language I know, specific grammatical or phonological ideas I know about and want to try implementing, or something else. If I don't know anything about a language, I may be interested in learning it, o...
- Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:41 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: /j/ to /dʒ/ in Romance
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5198
/j/ to /dʒ/ in Romance
Sorry if this is clutter (there ought to be an L&L quickies section. What were the intermediaries of Latin /j/ becoming /dʒ/ in Romance? I guess /j/ > */ʝ/ > */ɟ/ > /dʒ/, but I could be wrong.
- Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:41 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: How to begin an a priori conlang
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5165
How to begin an a priori conlang
When making a priori conlangs, usually you begin with a proto-language and then derive the daughter. But how do you make a mother without first making another mother ? I can't think of ways to properly construct a conlang without prior precedent, which for me (who usually try to make a priori ones) ...
- Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:12 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang words that happen to resemble real words
- Replies: 80
- Views: 52714
Re: Conlang words that happen to resemble real words
My (as yet unnamed) conlang has jade [jade]: 'refined gold', which of course resembles English jade [dʒeɪd]: 'green stone out of nephrite or jadeite'.
- Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:00 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Modal Questions in English
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1677
Modal Questions in English
As I am aware, to ask a question with a modal verb (or main verb, in the cases of 'be' and traditionally 'have') in English, it moves to the start with its subject in front of it and the modified verb after: 'Can you swim?' 'Must I go?' But what of negative questions? With pronouns, the pronoun is w...
- Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:19 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: [l]
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2195
[l]
What sort of sounds can [l] come from?
- Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:03 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Phonoaesthetics
- Replies: 66
- Views: 22108
Re: Phonoaesthetics
As many of you know, it is often said that "cellar door" is said to be the most beautiful phrase in English without regard to spelling or meaning. First of all, what makes {sɛ.lə.dɔː] or [sɛ.lɚ.dɔː] euphonic or phonetically aesthetic? Secondly, how could we, as conlangers, use this to our advantage...
- Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:14 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Idiolectal pronunciations
- Replies: 50
- Views: 9864
Idiolectal pronunciations
Is it at all common to have an idiolectal pronunciation of a word not in accordance with any dialect? /rəˈnesɑːns/ [rəˈnɛsaːns] is how I pronounce 'renaissance', though most of my pronunciations are fairly standard BrE (as standard as rhoticity and monophthongal GOAT and FACE can be in BrE, that is).
- Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:07 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2914
Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
In Estuary, BATH (and the lexically equal PALM and START) has fronted a bit from the old fully back quality, but GenAm shows no signs of fronting its fully back LOT or PALM, although it seems to be fronted in START sometimes. My dialect (an Inland North dialect) is the opposite, where it has defini...
- Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:12 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: 'Citisen'
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2528
Re: 'Citisen'
The <c> in 'citizen' does not represent a voiceless palatal stop that allophonically becomes a voiceless alveolar sibilant fricative. Both the phoneme and its realization should be transcribed as a plain s (perhaps with diacritics for its realization).
- Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:26 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: 'Citisen'
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2528
'Citisen'
Where does the non-standard pronunciation of 'citizen' with /s/ in /z/'s stead come from, and how did it become so widespread? It isn't a spelling pronunciation, not even of an archaic spelling; the word was formerly 'citizein', but 'denizen' influenced its spelling. Even so, no one says 'denizen' w...
- Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:22 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Magus
- Replies: 24
- Views: 4802
Re: Magus
Please don't derail the topic with talk of wizards and the number of magi. In any case, it's definitely a spelling pronunciation. Such things are also seen in the British pronunciations of 'status' and 'data' (though for 'data', the British pronunciation is rapidly being adopted in America). Are the...
- Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:27 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2914
Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
In Estuary, BATH (and the lexically equal PALM and START) has fronted a bit from the old fully back quality, but GenAm shows no signs of fronting its fully back LOT or PALM, although it seems to be fronted in START sometimes.
- Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:31 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2914
Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
Another thing: dissimilation is adequate for explaining this, but why has PRICE resisted dissimilation in GenAm but not MOUTH?
- Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:00 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2914
Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
You do mean /oj/, right? No English diphthongs have rounded front vowel ending points (and I think that the lack of distinguishing them in some Irish accents is a resistance to a split, not a merger). CHOICE has only changed to match the less open THOUGHT vowel, while GOAT has centralized its starti...
- Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:54 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2914
Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
Once (and remaining this way in many accents) PRICE and MOUTH had homogenous starting points; a central [ä], yes? But in SSBE (and GenAm for MOUTH) they have different starting points: a front [a] for MOUTH, a back [ɑ] for PRICE. My question: why did the diphthong with the front vowel ending point b...
- Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:38 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 653117
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Ol bofosh, are you, perchance, from East London? Your pronunciations of 'recognize' and 'round' strike me as Cockney.
- Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:00 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 653117
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
For 'round', I have /raʊnd/. I believe strong Geordie and Scottish accents have /ruːnd/.
- Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:27 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 653117
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
'Recognize'? /rekəgnaɪz/ I don't believe anyone says anything else, though in narrow transcription mine is [ɹʷɛkəgnäɪ̯z].
- Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:59 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: U-RP
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1641
Re: U-RP
I'm fairly certain a tense happY vowel is permissible in RP, as is a lax DRESS vowel, and yod-dropping after /l/. Furthermore, the LOT-CLOTH split would hardly go unremarked upon in ordinary RP. Perhaps a very open TRAP oughtn't to be considered RP, and having TRAP (or close) as the starting point f...
- Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: U-RP
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1641
Re: U-RP
The accents of the upper classes, as opposed to the standard represented by Received Pronunciation, 'Upper-Received Pronunciation'. Although, I have forgotten: while U-RP can be as conservative as I've described (though I seem to have forgotten that U-RP does not traditionally drop the yod of words ...
- Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:25 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: U-RP
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1641
U-RP
I want help distinguishing U-RP and mainstream RP. U-RP lacks happY-tensing, typically has a back vowel starting point for the GOAT diphthong (and MOUTH, according to some transcriptions, though my ears hear it as a central vowel not dissimilar to the traditional PRICE starting point, and it may als...
- Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:53 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: /d/ glottal stop?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 1337
/d/ glottal stop?
It seems that many people, including speakers of RP and GenAm, use an almost glottal stop like quality for /d/ in much the same environments as glottalized /t/ (e.g. madman, maddening, madcap) . I'm sceptic of it actually being a glottal stop, though, because it remains distinct from /t/, and an act...
- Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:41 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Magus
- Replies: 24
- Views: 4802
Magus
Why is 'magus' generally pronounced /'meɪ.gəs/ , and not /'mæg.əs/ as Latin /'ma.gʊs/ and Ancient Greek /má.gos/ would suggest? Even stranger, 'magi' is almost always /'mæd͡ʒ.aɪ/, faithful to Latin /'ma.giː/ which makes /'meɪ.gəs/ seem especially strange.