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by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:22 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: A Japanese based conlang
Replies: 34
Views: 10352

Re: A Japanese based conlang

Sorry. I really shouldn't of done that. My (pathetic, really) reason for doing so is that <wo> struck me as naggingly un-Japanese.
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:05 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: A Japanese based conlang
Replies: 34
Views: 10352

Re: A Japanese based conlang

Fair enough. Personally though, my inspiration usually comes from things I know, whether it be a language I know, specific grammatical or phonological ideas I know about and want to try implementing, or something else. If I don't know anything about a language, I may be interested in learning it, o...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:41 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: /j/ to /dʒ/ in Romance
Replies: 15
Views: 5198

/j/ to /dʒ/ in Romance

Sorry if this is clutter (there ought to be an L&L quickies section. What were the intermediaries of Latin /j/ becoming /dʒ/ in Romance? I guess /j/ > */ʝ/ > */ɟ/ > /dʒ/, but I could be wrong.
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:41 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: How to begin an a priori conlang
Replies: 12
Views: 5165

How to begin an a priori conlang

When making a priori conlangs, usually you begin with a proto-language and then derive the daughter. But how do you make a mother without first making another mother ? I can't think of ways to properly construct a conlang without prior precedent, which for me (who usually try to make a priori ones) ...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:12 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Conlang words that happen to resemble real words
Replies: 80
Views: 52714

Re: Conlang words that happen to resemble real words

My (as yet unnamed) conlang has jade [jade]: 'refined gold', which of course resembles English jade [dʒeɪd]: 'green stone out of nephrite or jadeite'.
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:00 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Modal Questions in English
Replies: 4
Views: 1677

Modal Questions in English

As I am aware, to ask a question with a modal verb (or main verb, in the cases of 'be' and traditionally 'have') in English, it moves to the start with its subject in front of it and the modified verb after: 'Can you swim?' 'Must I go?' But what of negative questions? With pronouns, the pronoun is w...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:19 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: [l]
Replies: 8
Views: 2195

[l]

What sort of sounds can [l] come from?
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:03 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Phonoaesthetics
Replies: 66
Views: 22108

Re: Phonoaesthetics

As many of you know, it is often said that "cellar door" is said to be the most beautiful phrase in English without regard to spelling or meaning. First of all, what makes {sɛ.lə.dɔː] or [sɛ.lɚ.dɔː] euphonic or phonetically aesthetic? Secondly, how could we, as conlangers, use this to our advantage...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:14 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Idiolectal pronunciations
Replies: 50
Views: 9864

Idiolectal pronunciations

Is it at all common to have an idiolectal pronunciation of a word not in accordance with any dialect? /rəˈnesɑːns/ [rəˈnɛsaːns] is how I pronounce 'renaissance', though most of my pronunciations are fairly standard BrE (as standard as rhoticity and monophthongal GOAT and FACE can be in BrE, that is).
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:07 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
Replies: 12
Views: 2914

Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH

In Estuary, BATH (and the lexically equal PALM and START) has fronted a bit from the old fully back quality, but GenAm shows no signs of fronting its fully back LOT or PALM, although it seems to be fronted in START sometimes. My dialect (an Inland North dialect) is the opposite, where it has defini...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:12 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: 'Citisen'
Replies: 6
Views: 2528

Re: 'Citisen'

The <c> in 'citizen' does not represent a voiceless palatal stop that allophonically becomes a voiceless alveolar sibilant fricative. Both the phoneme and its realization should be transcribed as a plain s (perhaps with diacritics for its realization).
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:26 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: 'Citisen'
Replies: 6
Views: 2528

'Citisen'

Where does the non-standard pronunciation of 'citizen' with /s/ in /z/'s stead come from, and how did it become so widespread? It isn't a spelling pronunciation, not even of an archaic spelling; the word was formerly 'citizein', but 'denizen' influenced its spelling. Even so, no one says 'denizen' w...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:22 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Magus
Replies: 24
Views: 4802

Re: Magus

Please don't derail the topic with talk of wizards and the number of magi. In any case, it's definitely a spelling pronunciation. Such things are also seen in the British pronunciations of 'status' and 'data' (though for 'data', the British pronunciation is rapidly being adopted in America). Are the...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:27 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
Replies: 12
Views: 2914

Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH

In Estuary, BATH (and the lexically equal PALM and START) has fronted a bit from the old fully back quality, but GenAm shows no signs of fronting its fully back LOT or PALM, although it seems to be fronted in START sometimes.
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:31 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
Replies: 12
Views: 2914

Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH

Another thing: dissimilation is adequate for explaining this, but why has PRICE resisted dissimilation in GenAm but not MOUTH?
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:00 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
Replies: 12
Views: 2914

Re: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH

You do mean /oj/, right? No English diphthongs have rounded front vowel ending points (and I think that the lack of distinguishing them in some Irish accents is a resistance to a split, not a merger). CHOICE has only changed to match the less open THOUGHT vowel, while GOAT has centralized its starti...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:54 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Regarding PRICE and MOUTH
Replies: 12
Views: 2914

Regarding PRICE and MOUTH

Once (and remaining this way in many accents) PRICE and MOUTH had homogenous starting points; a central [ä], yes? But in SSBE (and GenAm for MOUTH) they have different starting points: a front [a] for MOUTH, a back [ɑ] for PRICE. My question: why did the diphthong with the front vowel ending point b...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:38 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 653117

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

Ol bofosh, are you, perchance, from East London? Your pronunciations of 'recognize' and 'round' strike me as Cockney.
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:00 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 653117

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

For 'round', I have /raʊnd/. I believe strong Geordie and Scottish accents have /ruːnd/.
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:27 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 653117

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

'Recognize'? /rekəgnaɪz/ I don't believe anyone says anything else, though in narrow transcription mine is [ɹʷɛkəgnäɪ̯z].
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:59 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: U-RP
Replies: 6
Views: 1641

Re: U-RP

I'm fairly certain a tense happY vowel is permissible in RP, as is a lax DRESS vowel, and yod-dropping after /l/. Furthermore, the LOT-CLOTH split would hardly go unremarked upon in ordinary RP. Perhaps a very open TRAP oughtn't to be considered RP, and having TRAP (or close) as the starting point f...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:11 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: U-RP
Replies: 6
Views: 1641

Re: U-RP

The accents of the upper classes, as opposed to the standard represented by Received Pronunciation, 'Upper-Received Pronunciation'. Although, I have forgotten: while U-RP can be as conservative as I've described (though I seem to have forgotten that U-RP does not traditionally drop the yod of words ...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:25 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: U-RP
Replies: 6
Views: 1641

U-RP

I want help distinguishing U-RP and mainstream RP. U-RP lacks happY-tensing, typically has a back vowel starting point for the GOAT diphthong (and MOUTH, according to some transcriptions, though my ears hear it as a central vowel not dissimilar to the traditional PRICE starting point, and it may als...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:53 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: /d/ glottal stop?
Replies: 5
Views: 1337

/d/ glottal stop?

It seems that many people, including speakers of RP and GenAm, use an almost glottal stop like quality for /d/ in much the same environments as glottalized /t/ (e.g. madman, maddening, madcap) . I'm sceptic of it actually being a glottal stop, though, because it remains distinct from /t/, and an act...
by PVER•PVERVM•AMAT
Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:41 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Magus
Replies: 24
Views: 4802

Magus

Why is 'magus' generally pronounced /'meɪ.gəs/ , and not /'mæg.əs/ as Latin /'ma.gʊs/ and Ancient Greek /má.gos/ would suggest? Even stranger, 'magi' is almost always /'mæd͡ʒ.aɪ/, faithful to Latin /'ma.giː/ which makes /'meɪ.gəs/ seem especially strange.