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- Mon May 14, 2018 8:14 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Languages without Quantifier Hopping?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 10187
Re: Languages without Quantifier Hopping?
I've seen someone say that Hungary has explicit quantifier raising. That's like no raising, though a bit different...
- Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: /ɑ/ /ɛː/ in Quebec / Belgian French: inflectional paradigm?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4051
/ɑ/ /ɛː/ in Quebec / Belgian French: inflectional paradigm?
French varieties in places like Quebec and Belgium seem to maintain the distinction between /a/ and /ɑ/. Does this imply that, in verb conjugation, 3sg and 2sg are distinct in the future tense as well as wherever 3sg ends in -a and 2sg ends in -as? Likewise, /ɛː/ and /ɛ/ is said to be distinguished ...
- Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:05 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Would /ju:/ pronounced as /iu~iw/ mean "an" as the article?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4434
Re: Would /ju:/ pronounced as /iu~iw/ mean "an" as the artic
Sorry -- added.Axiem wrote:Can you provide an example word? I'm struggling a little to come up with an example, myself.
- Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:25 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Would /ju:/ pronounced as /iu~iw/ mean "an" as the article?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4434
Would /ju:/ pronounced as /iu~iw/ mean "an" as the article?
A not insignificant number of English dialects pronounce what is /juː/ in RP and GA as some form of /iu/ -- such as /ɪu/ or /iːw/. Question: what indefinite singular article do speakers of these dialects use before words beginning with such diphthong in their dialect? Is it "a" as other dialects use...
- Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:03 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Whence aspirated stops and nasal vowels?
- Replies: 70
- Views: 18115
Re: Whence aspirated stops and nasal vowels?
As others have mentioned, nasal vowels don’t have to come from VN specifically, but nasality in vowels often originates from assimilation to other nasal segments (which can also include preceding or nearby nasal consonants, or other nasal vowels). This is the general pattern I see, but the set of l...
- Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:52 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Chinese pronunciation of Japanese names
- Replies: 27
- Views: 7853
Re: Chinese pronunciation of Japanese names
And speaking of Old Latin -- I suspect that Spanish is actually descended from Old Latin rather than Classical Latin. If you go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Latin and scroll down to the verb declension, you'll understand what I'm talking about: Spanish has fuimos, fuisteis , just like Old...
- Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:36 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Chinese thread
- Replies: 108
- Views: 23726
Re: Chinese thread
Some do pronounce the vowel in zhi chi shi ri with some roundedness, but in any case the vowel is definitely not [y] or .
- Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:00 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Wényán thread
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4546
Re: Wényán thread
1. It can also mean "therefore" here. 2. 以 can also mean "so as to/in order to" "by which means", etc. 4.It means something like "equally/both/samely called" to me. So basically what you understood as. By the way, I once read something that said the 常's here were originally 恒, only later changed to ...
- Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:43 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Chinese pronunciation of Japanese names
- Replies: 27
- Views: 7853
Re: Chinese pronunciation of Japanese names
A theory I'm aware of is that Vietnamese converts Early Middle Chinese labial consonants followed by a non-chongniu medial (i.e. those which have a chongniu counterpart) to alveolar, due to strong palatalization. So, that would mean the EMC sequence Pj- with /i/ or /e/ as the main vowel is palataliz...
- Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:42 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Chinese tones and tonogenesis
- Replies: 15
- Views: 6805
Re: Chinese tones and tonogenesis
Ping shang qu ru are just names in the sense that people labeled the four tones in MC with four Chinese characters having the respective tones. So the tone "ping" or "leveling" is called "ping" or "leveling" simply because the corresponding character had this tone in MC. Of course you can argue that...
- Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:02 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Game
- Replies: 2673
- Views: 501744
Re: Sound Change Game
Middle Tatrìny kónnga [ˈkɔ́ŋːa] > Early Middle Hieron kóńńa [ˈkɔŋːa] > Modern Central Hieron kôa [ˈkuːa]/ kôqa [ˈkuːɰa] Middle Tatrìny tánnahu [ˈtánːahu] > Early Middle Hieron tánnahu [ˈtanːahu] > Modern Central Hieron tánnahu [ˈtanaʔʉ] Middle Tatrìny kóttu [ˈkɔ́tːu] > Early Middle Hieron kóttu [ˈkɔ...
- Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:17 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Phonological Gain
- Replies: 52
- Views: 12889
Re: Phonological Gain
Japanese is said to have borrowed /-j-/ and /-w-/ under the influence of Old/Middle Chinese loans. I mean Japanese, originally with only a syllable structure (C)V, C being absent only possible at the beginning of morphemes, borrowed the syllable structure CjV and KwV, K being restricted to velars. A...
- Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:03 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Careful Speech
- Replies: 36
- Views: 6982
Re: Careful Speech
Huh interesting. I've never heard someone say e.g. 五十 in a number larger than 100. The 十 is not said. Even in "150" it's just 一百五 (vs. 105 is 一百零五). Maybe I have to listen harder haha. Well on that we are the same...一百五十 (one hundred five) is used, but we also use this form a lot (colloquially? in ...
- Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:48 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Careful Speech
- Replies: 36
- Views: 6982
Re: Careful Speech
(Also, numbers are deceptively complex in English; There's different ways to read the same number depending on whether it's an amount or a year. For example, how does one read 1998? If it's a year: "nineteen ninety-eight", if it's an amount: "one-thousand nine-hundred ninety-eight". For a Chinese s...
- Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:02 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Questions about German Thread
- Replies: 115
- Views: 33776
Re: Questions about German Thread
This one may seem pretty basic, but is tsch ever pronounced separately (i.e. stop-fricative -t-sch- instead of affricate -tsch-)? Yes, tsch may stand for a cluster /tʃ/ rather than an affricate /t͡ʃ/ when there's a morpheme boundary between the two sounds, for example in compounds like Rotschimmelk...
- Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: complementary distribution
- Replies: 41
- Views: 8279
Re: complementary distribution
Well in the case of Standardized Mandarinandarin jqx I personally tend to think them as neutralized form before high-front approximants (I analyze i u y as syllabic approximants and actually I find forgetting the idea that a syllable must have main vowel really explains more things in Mandarin in a ...
- Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:38 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Questions about German Thread
- Replies: 115
- Views: 33776
Re: Questions about German Thread
This one may seem pretty basic, but is tsch ever pronounced separately (i.e. stop-fricative -t-sch- instead of affricate -tsch-)?
- Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:22 pm
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Vowel Systems
- Replies: 109
- Views: 102577
Re: Vowel Systems
^ Actually when Greek had lost its length distinction and merged historical long e into i (i.e.η>ι) I think the system was already established. That is, since a late period of Koine Greek probably. Slightly before that there were two e's with distinction in height, and a bit more earlier the length ...
- Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:20 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Ridiculously small phonemic differences thread
- Replies: 57
- Views: 10396
Re: Ridiculously small phonemic differences thread
In my Mandarin speech (and my family's), /ar/ > [ᴀˤʴ] while /air//anr/ > [ɐ ˞ ɻ]. Edit: Now I'm pretty sure that the rhotic part of /ar/ includes both radical and postalveolar, not alveolar as shown by IPA. A previously mistaken IPA expression is fixed and labelled red. All of the "alveolar" /ɹ/ mea...
- Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Idiolectal pronunciations
- Replies: 50
- Views: 9850
Re: Idiolectal pronunciations
"program" "progress" as /ˈprʊ-/ (though progress probably just a shortened proh-gress, with [o]), mass(ive) and classic(al) with trap-bath split, laugh as luff Distinguish /oʊr/ /uːr/ /ɔːr/ Distinguish unstressed a/e (/ə/) i (/ɨ/) and o/u as well as unstressed ar/er/ir and or/ur (roundness) Distingu...
- Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:02 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Formation of Labials and Nasals
- Replies: 20
- Views: 4990
Re: Formation of Labials and Nasals
Wow...A language without these is really curious to me. I've imagined for many times how would one sound/feel when speaking one. But just to be a little uncreative...my source is of course incomplete. *(t)ʂ(ʰ)u > (t)ʂ(ʰ)wu > (t)ʂ(ʰ)ʋu > (p)f(ʰ)u (Still effective when /u/ is a semivowel, in which cas...
- Fri May 09, 2014 1:11 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Linguistic "tendencies" caused by sampling
- Replies: 20
- Views: 4162
Re: Linguistic "tendencies" caused by sampling
I don't think japanese ever actually lost p though. It still shows up in geminates and after n True. Before Japanese regained /p/ from Chinese and other loanwords, however, [p] could reasonably be regarded as an allophone of /ɸ/. (I think the re-phonemicization of [p] happened before the [ɸ] > [h] ...
- Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:29 am
- Forum: L&L Museum
- Topic: Odd natlang features thread
- Replies: 354
- Views: 146633
Re: Odd natlang features thread
I'll keep updating Ah I mistook the thread I was writing for...and gave some expectable features for you. Well, I'm terribly sorry for that. Perhaps providing the background would be better but it would be too lengthy. A syllable in Chinese languages are composed of an initial (initial consonant) a...
- Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:13 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: If natlangs were conlangs...
- Replies: 120
- Views: 29887
Re: If natlangs were conlangs...
Are there any natlangs with >8 tones? Though there are three tone clusters that can occur on roots, and I don't know why they aren't counted as separate tones in Iau... Dananshan Hmong also has eight, but I can't think of any with nine or more. Many Chinese languages do. (If we only count original ...