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by Sexendèƚo
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:05 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

There is no such thing as a "first" sound change in a language, as languages have no single time in which they come into being. I imagine they mean "first sound change after the constructed proto-language" or something like that. It was one of the first sound changes in the language. The distinctio...
by Sexendèƚo
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:45 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

The thing is that velars do not usually become uvulars unconditionally; when they do become uvulars it is usually due to the influence of an adjacent back vowel or further-back-than-velar consonant. My idea came from dialects of Arabic that (iirc) have the emphatics as velarized rather than uvulari...
by Sexendèƚo
Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

What are ways to develop word-initial geminates of obstruents (although they would be phonetically realized as tense)? Looking mostly for /p t d k s/. I adore word-initial geminates (blame it on my girlfriends raddoppiamento sintattico). I usually derive it through: 1. Sandhi that basically copies ...
by Sexendèƚo
Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:43 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

The main options I can think of is to turn them into voiced nasals or to make them split into clusters of non-nasal consonants and voiced nasals. Hmm. So the main place the voiceless nasals would appear is in clusters of the [sN], [xN] sort. Some word-final examples: tara-x-m light-plural.inanimate...
by Sexendèƚo
Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:38 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

What could I turn voiceless nasals into? Other than back into voiced nasals. I have a lot of [sn,sm],[xn,xm],[pʰn],[kʰn],[tʰn] clusters in intervocalic and word-final positions, which look to me like they would turn into voiceless nasals as other sonorants devoice in these positions in my language (...
by Sexendèƚo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:34 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I'm trying to derive a three-way contrast in plosives from a proto-lang that has none: Old voiceless stops become the lenis series: /k/ → /k~g/ Old clusters of stops and /h/ become aspirates. /kh/ → /kʰ/ The final series would be from glottal stop and voiceless stop clusters: /kʔ/ → ? What sort of t...
by Sexendèƚo
Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:17 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Still trying to work out my vocalic system. The proto-language has a very turkish-like: i y ɯ u ɛ ø a o All of these can be long or short, vowel length is phonemic in the proto-lang. There is vowel harmony. Possible dipthongs are Vj, Vw, other things which might condition the vowels are /Vɣ/, /Vh/, ...
by Sexendèƚo
Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:06 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

How might back unrounded vowels diphthongize? I'm mostly familiar with diphthongs in English and Quebec French, and I'm wondering what we might expect [ɯː],[ɤː],[ʌː],[ɑː] to diphthongize to.
by Sexendèƚo
Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:12 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Native speakers giving misleading information
Replies: 86
Views: 24618

Re: Native speakers giving misleading information

I sort of wonder: For Italians who do differentiate /s/ and /z/, is there much of a sense of them being separate sounds, or is the situation more like English <th> sounds? (I know that while they contrast intervocalically in the standard dialect, many speakers have fully merged them.) Or, for that ...
by Sexendèƚo
Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:05 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 664492

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

dénouement - [ˈdɛɪnʉmə̃nʔ] (spelling pronunciation, I'm not familiar with this word). rapprochement - [ɹʷɜˈpʰɹɜʉt͡ʃmə̃nʔ] (possibly also a spelling pronunciation, but I have used this word). three [θɾ̥̪iː] Arthritis [aɹ̠ˈθɾ̪aːɾɘs] Asthma [ˈæzmə] They [ðɛ̞ɪ] Brother [ˈb̥ɹʷɜðɚ] Friulian [fɹʷʏʉlijən] N...
by Sexendèƚo
Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:55 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I have a rather weird one I want to ask about. s/k/_# Does that seem too far fetched? Seems unlikely. Perhaps: gliding [s→j/_#] fortition [j→c/_#] depalatalization [c→k/_#] But I wouldn't expect fortition of [j] in final position. Maybe derive it by morphology. Like if -s is an affix, -k starts tak...
by Sexendèƚo
Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:24 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

What peculiarities might we see in a language which does not have vowel harmony, but whose ancestor did? I'm working on my conlang's vowel system, and I would like a situation where the ancestor had front-back harmony, but this system collapsed. I want it to still show up vestigially in the language...
by Sexendèƚo
Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:34 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Post your conlang's phonology
Replies: 2278
Views: 511978

Re: Post your conlang's phonology

Consonants /m n ɲ ŋ/ /p t k ʔ b d g/ /ts tʃ cç dz dʒ ɟʝ/ /f s ʃ ç x h/ /r rʲ ʋ j/ /l ʎ/ Vowels: [+ATR / -low] group: /e i o u ɘ̆/ /ei ɘʉ/ [-ATR / -high] group: /a ɒ ɛ ɔ ɜ̆/ /aɛ aɒ/ - +/- ATR / vowel height harmony - Fricatives become voiced between vowels. - Approximant/nasal+h cluster is realized a...
by Sexendèƚo
Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:31 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 664492

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

[ɔːstɹ̩]
[s] might be a velarized
by Sexendèƚo
Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:44 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 630449

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

What are some interesting things to do with geminate consonants?
Currently I have /bː,dː,gː,pː,tː,kː,zː,sː,vː,fː,mː,nː,lː,jː,ɲː,ʎː/
I'd like to do more than just degeminate them, especially if they could develop into something less Romance-y.
by Sexendèƚo
Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:00 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Word order to SOV
Replies: 19
Views: 4950

Re: Word order to SOV

There are some languages that appear to have had SOV without case marking, I think late Akkadian. It lost case marking but continued to use the SOV order it had developed from a Sumerian substrate.

I'll look into Sorbian and Niger-Congo.
by Sexendèƚo
Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:38 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Word order to SOV
Replies: 19
Views: 4950

Word order to SOV

SOV changing to other word orders has been well-documented, however it seems to be much rarer for languages to change to SOV from another word order. I have been looking for an example of a language changing to SOV where the change is not due to language contact. So far i've only been able to find s...
by Sexendèƚo
Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:21 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 664492

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

house [hɛʉs] houses [haəzɪz] owl [æəl] owls [æwlz] bright [bɹəɪt] bride [bɹæːd] boy [bɒɪ] boys [bɒɪz] goat [gɛʉt] goad [goʊd] bay [bei] bays [bɛɪz] beer [biəɹ] or [biə]* beers [biəz] cure [kjɝ] or [kjə]* cures [kjəːz] *My r-dropping is inconsistent. My knowledge of vowel phones isn't perfect, but th...