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jal wrote:Inspired by this thread, rat rap vs. rat trap (curious to know whether anyone has affricated /tr/?)


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Something like:

rat trap: [ɹʷæ̈t̚ tɕʷʰɹʷæ̈ɓ]
rat rap: [ɹʷæ̈ʔ ɹʷæ̈ɓ]

Looks like I tend to elide the /t/ in that consonant cluster: [tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s gʊd̚] [tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s bæːd̚] [tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s fɐ̃ni] Looks like you have the bad-lad split. That's pretty universal in Australian English apparently. You're Australian and you have [e̞ɪ̯] rather than [æɪ̯] for the "FACE" vowel? I'm...

Salmoneus wrote:I- "kiln" has always had /l/

It's the /n/ that's sometimes lost, not the /l/.

Salmoneus wrote:In any case, if the /D/ was restored it was probably by analogy with 'cloth'

By the time /ð/ was lost, cloth could have already had its vowel shortened.

"wash" historically had the same vowel as in "crash" and "smash". Then vowel rounding occurred causing the TRAP vowel to become rounded after "w" hence the present pronunciations of "wander", "wasp", "wash", "want", "wand", "watch" etc. The rounding didn't occur before velar consonants as in "wagon...

Is “says” /sɛz/ or /seɪz/? I've been thinking it's exclusively /sɛz/, but now I'm hearing some people, with otherwise not abnormal accents, pronounce it /seɪz/. /seɪz/, or more accurately, [sæɪz], is a feature that is quite prominent in New Zealand English. Is “says” /sɛz/ or /seɪz/? I've been thin...

Does anyone else pronounce "seal" (as in the animal) and "seal" (as in the stamp) differently? I pronounce the former [si.əw] and the later [sew]~[se.əw]. As far as I've checked, all other other historic /-iːl/ words pattern to the latter (e.g. real [ɹeəw] wholemeal [hɔwˈmeəw]). That's weird. Both ...

Does anyone else pronounce "seal" (as in the animal) and "seal" (as in the stamp) differently? I pronounce the former [si.əw] and the later [sew]~[se.əw]. As far as I've checked, all other other historic /-iːl/ words pattern to the latter (e.g. real [ɹeəw] wholemeal [hɔwˈmeəw]).

Hmm. Apparently, <solenoid> is /ˈsoʊ.lə.nɔɪd/, not /ˈsɔl.ə.nɔɪd/. Is /ˈsɔl.ə.nɔɪd/ the pronunciation you would expect based on some spelling pattern, or do you not know why you expected it? I forget, what type of accent do you have and which vowel does /ɔ/ mean to you (I'd guess THOUGHT, but I know...

thetha wrote:the Dravidian form is obviously a Sanskrit loan, and I can find no corroborating source for the initial e.

I don't think native Tamil words allow initial r-, so a variant with initial e- added would make sense.

All caps intentional <A AI AV B C D E EI EV F H I K L M N O OV P R S T V VI> /a ɛ* ɔ* b k d e ə** ɵ** f x i~j k l m o u~w* p r s t y~ɥ yj/ *earlier /aj aw/ ** earlier /ej ew/ *from earlier /ow/ <a ã ãq b b' c c' ç ç' d d' e eq f f' h h' i iq j jq j' l lq m m' n' o oq œ p p' r r' s s' ś ś' t t' u uq...

ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:hard vs. heart
herd vs. hurt
piers vs. pierce
ford vs. fort
bid vs. bit

[hɐːd̥ʲ]/[hɐːt̯ʲ]
[hø̞ːd̥ʲ]/[hø̞ːt̥ʲ]
[pi͓jɐ̈s]/[peə̯s]
[fɤ̝ːd̥ʲ]/[fɤ̝ːt̯ʲ]
[bɪ̽d̥ʲ]/[bɪ̽t̯ʲ]

Why is it that NZ English seems very, very weird from this, but when I actually have heard NZ English it does not sound too much different from most other English varieties descended from southeastern English English post split of NAE from the rest of English except for that /ɛ ɪ/ sound to my ears ...

[pɐl sɐl ɐldʑɘbɹɐ]: though words with original [æ] seem to not vocalise l. The merger of [e] (GAE/RP /ɛ/) with [ɐ] before historic /l/ must have been only allowed by the similar merger of [æ] after l. I didn't realize there were varieties of English with alveolo-palatals. I can't find a reference t...

What kind of English do you speak? New Zealand English /æl/ no words end with this or have this before a consonant. What vowel do pal, Sal, algebra have? [pɐl sɐl ɐldʑɘbɹɐ]: though words with original [æ] seem to not vocalise l. The merger of [e] (GAE/RP /ɛ/) with [ɐ] before historic /l/ must have ...

Some more details about vowel mergers, etc. would be appreciated. It doesn't have to be as complicated as this: /æl/ no words end with this or have this before a consonant. /el/ -> /al/ -> /aw/ belt: [bɐwt] (rhymes with bout ) /il/ -> /eɘw/ feel: [fe.ɘw] (see corresponding words with historic r) /øl...

Does anyone else have L-vocalisation