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by yangfiretiger121
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:25 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Would [y ɔ] be believable transcriptions of [ᴇʋ ɑʋ] as vowels, or would [ᴇʋ ɑʋ] need different transcriptions?

Is [m n→ɴ] adjacent to back vowels a likely assimilation?

Are [pʃ bʒ] better described as bilabial-postalveolar ([p̱ʃ ḇʒ]) or labiodental-postalveolar ([p̪ʃ b̪ʒ])?
by yangfiretiger121
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Grammar
Replies: 1
Views: 857

Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Grammar

Immortal, which is nanfían ([ɴɑŋ'fi.ɑɴ]) in Aʻatun, can be either a noun or an adjective in English. If nanfían has that same interaction (not sure it will), do I need an adjectival suffix, such as -(o)xí, for it?
by yangfiretiger121
Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:25 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Civil War Alternate History
Replies: 19
Views: 3136

Re: Civil War Alternate History

I love that you've reunified Korea and trimmed China back to its rightful territory.

One nitpick, though, I think you accidentally double-posted this topic. Don't worry, I know it's because of internal server errors. I've been getting a bunch of them lately as well.
by yangfiretiger121
Thu May 31, 2018 3:09 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Grammar
Replies: 1
Views: 857

Aʻatun Scratchpad: Grammar

I'm rehashing this topic somewhat. However, I want a fresh start to reflect the broader scope of the topic from the start. The old topic closed with me mentioning the adjectival suffix <-khi>, which is now rendered as <-(o)xi>, and giving examples of its use. That dovetails with this topic because t...
by yangfiretiger121
Wed May 30, 2018 7:52 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Revised vowel system:

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              front central back
High            i      ʉ
Mid             ᴇ            ⱺ
Low                          ɑ
However, words with a consonant immediately followed by <ru>, such as Grut, maintain the uvulars in front of /ʉ/. Thus, ['ɢᴿut] becomes ['ɢᴿʉt].
by yangfiretiger121
Tue May 29, 2018 4:53 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Is /[χ]/ more naturally an allophone of /x/ or /h/? Currently, the relationship is /[x→χ]/ adjacent to /ɑ ⱺ/ regardless of syllable coda/mora or another uvular in the same syllable.
by yangfiretiger121
Tue May 29, 2018 4:25 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 222436

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

kanejam wrote:ˈdʒəʊ̈səf ˈstɐːɫən
<snip>
ˈjəʊ̈səf ˈstɐːɫən or ˈʝəʊ̈səf ˈstɐːɫən

Which of these three is closest to the Russian pronunciation?
by yangfiretiger121
Mon May 28, 2018 9:56 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Could [e̞ʋ~ᴇʋ ɑʋ] be considered vowels since [ʋ] takes [w]'s place? If so, would they be rounded or unrounded?
by yangfiretiger121
Sun May 27, 2018 4:05 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

The working vowel system is below noting my indecision on the mid front vowel's transcription and that having the mid back rounded vowel (/o̞ ⱺ/; last is non-standard but used) felt strange with three unrounded vowels. front back Close i Mid e̞ ᴇ ɤ̞ Open ɑ
by yangfiretiger121
Sat May 26, 2018 4:47 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Okay. I may end up with a four (/i e̞ u ɑ/ or /i e̞ o̞ ɑ/) or five (/i e̞ u o̞ ɑ/) system. If there's a four vowel system, is /u>o̞/ or /o̞>u/ more likely?
by yangfiretiger121
Sun May 20, 2018 7:47 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Okay. Thanks. What are possible endpoints for /fʲ θʲ ðʲ ʋʲ/, if any exist?
by yangfiretiger121
Fri May 18, 2018 10:20 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Is /l→ʋ/ a likely change?
by yangfiretiger121
Sun May 13, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Aren't you spending a lot of time obsessing about sound change if it's for an RP setting? Or for any sort of setting, really. It's not really my business but if you're feeling pressed for time (which is almost always the case if you're creating languages for a purpose other than the simple fun of i...
by yangfiretiger121
Sun May 13, 2018 8:21 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlearn
Replies: 669
Views: 50852

Re: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlea

Undine is apparently pronounced to rhyme with "mean", not "mine". I don't think I will change my pronunciation, but I haven't said the word out loud in 20 years and probably won't within the next 20. Ah, that's news to me as well. Words ending in "-ine" have fairly unpredictable pronunciations (e.g...
by yangfiretiger121
Sat May 12, 2018 9:57 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

I've decided to leave /ʍ/ alone. I'm rushed at this point because my collaborator went behind my back and scheduled one RP a year, with the one the languages are for planned for next year. Thus, I only have six-and-a-half months to get the basics down. Hells, I'd be much further along at this point ...
by yangfiretiger121
Sat May 12, 2018 3:40 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

According to Wikipedia, /ʍ→f/, while unattested, is quite possible (cf. /w→p/). As it stands, /ʍ/ is their only approximate because /l/ merged into /w/ and /j/ fortited to /ʝ/ before devoicing to /ç/.
by yangfiretiger121
Sat May 12, 2018 10:37 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Which of /p f p̪͡f ʋ̥ ɰ̊ ɥ̊ k͡p/ are likely outcomes for /ʍ/? They try to keep, at least, one place of articulation constant.
by yangfiretiger121
Fri May 11, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Afwia is the current spelling of Alfia following /ɑ/ merging into /ɔ/ (later changed back to /ɑ/) and /l/ merging into /w/. Is ['ɑf.fwa] or ['ɑf.w:a] a more natural outcome, considering the new geminiation rule?
by yangfiretiger121
Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:34 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Languages spoken on Altrunia, such as Common and Sphinx, coalesced into Altrunian around 100 years after the planet was unified. Sometime before Altrunians conquered Protewa, most of the voiced stops, affricates, and fricatives were devoiced (later to be respelled). Eventually, the religious figures...
by yangfiretiger121
Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:16 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

As I've stated before, Altrunians would have devoiced /b→p/, etc. Later on, they respelled the devoiced consonants. Would a /j→ʝ→ç/ progression make sense in this context? /j/ can't, merely, vanish offhand because it would necessitate insertion of /ʔ/ as they'd go out of their way to retain a histor...
by yangfiretiger121
Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:10 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

The languages once barred gemination; instead, gemination will now be marked by what started as palatalization ([ik.nɑ'sʲɑ→ik.nɑ'ssɑ]) or an elided liquid ([ɰi'sol.tɑ→ɰi'so.ttɑ]).

While not gemination, the above conditions apply to /xʲ/, etc. as well ([in.tus'tr̥ʲɑ→in.tusʈ'ʈ͡ʂɑ]).
by yangfiretiger121
Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:54 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".
Replies: 33
Views: 3193

Re: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".

Was Raphe his name or short for Raphael?
by yangfiretiger121
Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:59 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

How likely are the following changes: (a) /ɕ→ʂ/ (/ʃʲ→ɕ/ changing for the same reason /kʲ→c/ changes), (b/c) /pʲ→fʲ→θ/ (/pʲ→fʲ/ would be a merger), and (d1) /θʲ→r̪̊/ or (d2) /θʲ→r̪/
by yangfiretiger121
Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 13727

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

Vijay wrote:Could it lenite into [fʲ] or something like that?
It might be able to under average circumstances, however, Outsider speakers would devoice it back to [pʲ] because the language's only voiced consonants are supposed to be /m n ɲ ŋ ʐ ʝ ɰ r/.