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From Amazon's synopsis: In building up a scenario for the arrival on the shores of Alaska of speakers of languages related to Eskimo-Aleut with genetic roots deep within Sineria, this book touches upon a number of issues in contemporary historical linguistics and archaeology. The Arctic "gateway" to...

TheGoatMan wrote:Octaviano should try being more like Basilius.

Please explain.

Yet, I consider it most likely that the language family echoed in the "Old European hydronymy" was that of the Linearbandkeramik culture, and related to Indo-European. Unfortunately, there's no way to prove this. This ties in with another innovation of Europic, which I call the Great Vowel Collapse...

Etherman wrote:My primary purpose in this thread is to discuss my ideas about Indo-Uralic and get some useful feedback, but I'm also very interested other people's ideas.

Ha, ha, ha. You seem more interested in my own theories (to criticise them) than yours.

Although I'm not defending it, Arnaud's theory of a PIE homeland in Anatolia is quite different from Renfrew's in chronology and linguistic implications. Arnaud proposes a Pre-Mesolithic expansion from Anatolia to the Balkans, and then a Mesolithic one from there to West and East Europe. That only ...

Although I'm not defending it, Arnaud's theory of a PIE homeland in Anatolia is quite different from Renfrew's in chronology and linguistic implications. Arnaud proposes a Pre-Mesolithic expansion from Anatolia to the Balkans, and then a Mesolithic one from there to West and East Europe.

Disclaimer notice: I post this here because I think it's relevant to the discussion. My fellow Arnaud Fournet has just written an essay defending a Mesolithic PIE in Anatolia. His main argument is the lexicon relative to domesticated animal such as sheep, goat, etc. in Western IE languages is differ...

WeepingElf wrote:Octaviano, this is a warning. Please take the discussion of Macro-Altaic to your own thread; otherwise I may call a moderator to take appropriate measures.

I've already done this, and I'd recommend you keep fair play ON.

TomHChappell wrote:And perhaps, also, to give Octaviano (and others of us if we need it) a "second warning" about keeping such things off "your" thread?

And what about a "warning" to people who are spamming in my thread?

What Octaviano says is essentially that there are Altaic loanwords in Northwestern IE languages because there are Altaic loanwords in Northwestern IE languages . How convincing. Not exactly. I said there are Altaic loanwords in Northwestern IE languages because these words have no PIE etymology but...

I think here he meant that the quantity of evidence for a given "correspondence" is poor , i.e low rather than making a statement about quality as was evident from the remainder of the post. Yes, I understood his intention, but in my own language 'poor' isn't the same thing than 'small'. The eviden...

Errr... So you actually say that in case the evidence is poor, you are allowed to use the evidence as of it were not poor? Cut the crap, man. I said exactly the opposite: the evidence is GOOD. BTW: Night club's visitors are increasing day by day. Someone with such shoddy logic can't be a good softw...

You say that proto-Altaic is shown to be in NW Europe by its loans, and the loans can be proto-Altaic because it exists in NW Europe. No, it didn't said "proto-Altaic" but a branch of Altaic, which is a very different thing. The argument that Proto-Altaic was supposedly to be thousand of kilometers...

no, but MODERN Turkey, which you use as proof, is irrelevant to Meso- and neolithic Europe. Did you read my former statement: ... but this is IRRELEVANT to the subject. ? I mentioned Turkey because Jörg said Altaic is thousands of kilometers away. The evidence for an Altaic language once spoken in ...

But so far you haven't shown me convincing evidence that the Old European hydronymy was Mesolithic rather than Neolithic, which, after all, is the main point of disagreement between us two. Exactly, and there's still no convincing evidence it was Neolithic rather than Mesolithic, so this is an unde...

Miekko wrote:But we know that the turks got into that area in historical times, and from central Asia. At the relevant time, the distance was bigger.

Do you know which languages were spoken in Mesolithic and Neolithic Europe?

A distant (Mesolithic) relationship between IE and Altaic makes more sense to me than an Upper Paleolithic Altaic substratum language in Central Europe. Possible, but I don't have any evidence for a genetical relationship between IE and Altaic. Even in that case, their common ancestor can't possibl...

What's weak or illogical about doing something about those who repeatedly insist on thrusting incendiary arguments into other people's barely-related threads? Raducioiu, it's not me who "thrusts incendiary arguments into other people's barely-related threads" but people who're chasing/bullying me w...

I'm sure they aren't so. There're "so few" simply because they're substrate loanwords . Yeah Oct, we get it. They are loanwords; this is a hard problem. But you can't make statements that these aren't chance resemblances unless you are ready to back them up with evidence. And if all you have is one...

This is Jörg's thread, not mine.

A distant (Mesolithic) relationship between IE and Altaic makes more sense to me than an Upper Paleolithic Altaic substratum language in Central Europe. Possible, but I don't have any evidence for a genetical relationship between IE and Altaic. Even in that case, their common ancestor can't possibl...

TheGoatMan wrote:I didn't really want to suggest this, but can we just ban this asshole?

This is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

Berek wrote:Proof or get the fuck out. Now.

You'd better shut up, Berek. You or anyboby else isn't going to give me orders.

TheGoatMan wrote:Oct, I am a terrible person. I'm cruel, obnoxious, mean spirited, and uncharitable. But by the gods, I am a good linguist.

Ha, ha, ha.

Don't be stupid. There're indeed regular sound correspondences but no in "dozens of words" as the corpus is small. How many times must I told you that? Are you fucking serious? Are you fucking serious ? Yes, I'm serious (without smearwords). What the fuck is wrong with you? You cry 'ad hominem' whe...