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I make no promises on how detailed or accurate this is. It's from my PIE textbook by Jasonoff. PIE > Tocharian p, b, bh > p t, dh > t d > ts (though also > 0, but the environments are not yet understood) k, k', g, g', gh, g'h > k kw, gw, ghw > k plus labialization (Toch. A. kus 'who'< PIE kwis, Toch...

I will try to have some stuff for you tomorrow (2/26).

And some stuff on Tocharian, if my notes are as complete as I think they are.

EDIT: Today is 2/25! I mean 2/26...

I believe Celestine meant Proto-Celtic. That's certainly what I understood anyway, especially since all the other familial derivations were correct.

Heya Celestine -

I can provide the Celtic sound changes, most of them anyway, but it will probably take me a month or so - I'm incredibly busy right now. Can you wait?

I'm really confused too. I learned (in the Donagle gaeltacht) that ag + ? = aici . Acoording to the Christian borthers, it's from do + a , though ag + a makes more sense. But ag + ? > ? makes no sense to me at all.... unless it got normalized. N?l m? ag r? nach bhfuil t? go m?cheart...

Hey Avaja,

Maybe you know... are there any good books in English of proto-uralic?

The whole slender/broad thing is weird to me. When I was learning Irish (in grad school, as well as at Oideas Gael in Donegal, there were a couple of places where the glide thing you mention seemed to be backwards. For example, toghair 'to summon'. According to your rules (which are pretty good, I t...

Great minds think alike, I guess...

I've been meaning to post a list of the metaphors cited in the book, so that people could go through and make their changes. Of course, it wouldn't be all of them, by any means, but it would be a good start. Maybe I'll get to it this weekend...

Ack! You're right. Well, you've got McCone on the way, so you should be set. Warning - it's dense, and Mccone is known for his vituperativeness... It will not disappoint!

Heya lelandpaul,

I've posted those, earlier in this thread. If it's not what you need, let me know, and I can provide something better.

Thanks Rad! I do understand the antipassive - it demotes the object, rather than the subject (like the passive). Mary eats pie. > Passive The pie is eaten (by Mary) > Antipassive Mary eats (from the pie) I also know that the subject of the Antipassive moves from ERG marking to ABS. What I'm not sure...

...or at least commons. Does anyone have any links or lists of common features of ergative-absolutive languages?

By request, from McCone's Towards a Relative Chronology of Ancient and Medieval Celtic Sound Change . Maynooth Studies in Celtic Linguistics, 1996 PIE > Proto-Celtic [] used to enclose required options, [a,b] = a or b, but one MUST be there {} encloses complex but unitary elements, {long o} = /o:/, ...

yeah, I have an MA in Celtic Lang and Lit. So, I had Welsh Class, as well as Irish class, Middle Welsh class, Old Irish class, old Norse class, PIE > Old Irish class, and PIE class (with Calvert watkins, no less!).

Aidan, the over-educated

Two that always made us giggle in Welsh class:

Dy dy^ du Didi - Your black house, Didi /d@ di: di didi/

Byffu ddy Fampair Sleiyr

Buffy spelt Byffu just slayed us....