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It is surprising to me that no one has mentioned what I learned (who knows where?) in my childhood as one reason for writing direction reversal. What I remember from way, way, way back is: Especially with the advent of ink and paper/parchment/papyrus flat writing surfaces, the problem of a right-ha...

*grumble, grumble* Fine. I'll do it. Doesn't make me feel any less guilty about not letting others try, though. /ɡʊd ˈiːvnɪŋ ‖ tʰəˈnaɪt | aɪ ˌkʰən ɹɪˈpɔ˞t tə ˌðiː əˈmɛɹɨkn̩ ˈpʰiːpl̩ ˌənd tə ðə ˈwɝld ðət ðə juˈnaɪtɨd ˈsteɪts həz kʰn̩ˈdʌktəd n ˌɑːpəˈɹeɪʃn̩ ðət ˈkʰɪld oʊˈsɑːmə bɪn ˈlɑːdn̩ | ðə ˈliːdɚ ə...

And I've done the last two in a row at least. I like coming up with new sentences but I feel guilty not giving others that chance, too.

This isn't an active project, no.

Alright, I update my consonant and vowel charts to reflect the suggestions made to me. One other question I thought of is, how does one go about choosing a set of diphthongs, in a way that makes phonetic sense? http://i.imgur.com/1p30OFt.png http://i.imgur.com/wBkQ9Ne.png You can't go too far wrong...

The phonological system is not bad, and I do like how the voiceless nasals and liquids make it seem less SAE. As far as orthography, I would personally switch <o> and <w> around as well as <q> and <x>, but I do like the system other than that.

Thanks for the clarification.

vokzhen wrote:Laminal/apical or dental/alveolar split.

With which corresponding to which?

I have a protolang with an inventory of /a e i ə ɨ o u k kʰ ɠ ŋ t tʰ ɗ n p pʰ ɓ m h s r j w/ and syllable structure of (C)(J)V(C), where J is one of /r j w/. The only restriction on the syllables is that if the J slot is filled, the C slot in the onset can't be any of /r j w/. I want to derive a dau...

/ʔ/ is elided. pʰ tʰ kʰ θ :> f θ x s /kj tj/ merge into /c/. Vowel length and nasality are redistributed: Existing vowel length is lost. Existing nasal vowels denasalize and become long. Nasal consonants are lost in the coda and leave behind the new nasalized vowels. [wai˦˨ tʊ˦˨ wi˦˨ ə˧ tə˧ k’o˦˨ ʌ...

I would expect the elision to be blocked in situations like that, but the answer is yes. Initial clusters starting with /s/ got an /e/ before it in Western Romance.

Retroactively correct syllable-final consonants that should have changed but didn't. The tones space out more. /w/ elides after a rounded vowel and /j/ elides after a front vowel; both make the preceding vowel long. The low vowels lose their backness distinction and both /æ ɑ/ become /a/ (length an...

Have you noticed that there are certain features (not necessarily SAE) that you end up sticking in your conlangs a lot? Here are mine: The consonant inventory often ends up using one of these two as a basis: One inspired by ancient Greek, with tenuis, aspirated, voiced, and nasal obstruents at three...

Voiceless word-final fricatives debuccalize to /h/. Voiced word-final fricatives become approximants of the same place of articulation. The stress accent is lost. Words not marked as being pronounced with a high tone are now explicitly marked as being pronounced as a low tone. [wɛː˨ dʊ˨ wiː˨ həʋ˨ t...

OK, that's FAR beyond the point of recognizability :P <Why do we have to grow up? I know more adults who have the children's approach to life. They're people who don't give a hang what the Joneses do. You see them at Disneyland every time you go there. They are not afraid to be delighted with simple...

vokzhen wrote:I ran onto the page again and am once again taken aback at how ridiculous the supposed English pronunciation of Uyghur is: /wi.gr/. No, I refuse.

Well, turns out I wasn't wide of the mark with /uj.ɡɚ/...

Zaarin wrote:No, the ancestor had /m n ŋ p pʰ g gʱ t tʰ d dʱ k kʰ g gʱ q qʰ ɢ ɢʱ f s ʃ h ɹ ɬ ɮ/.

Do you mean /b bʱ/ instead of the first /g gʱ/? You have the latter twice.

/ht/ metathesizes and coalesces into /tʰ/. ɸ pʰ tʰ ʈʰ ç kʰ :> f f θ ʂ ɕ x Contrastive stress is lost. ɜː ᵻ ʊ ʊː u uː :> əː ɪ ʏ ʏː y yː iw :> ju / _ / _V The orthography is reformed: /ä ɛ ø œ ə ɪ ʏ i y ɔ o/ :> <a e ø̀ ø ə ì i ù u ò o>. The capital of <ə> is <Ǝ>, and length is indicated by doubling t...

Retroactively lengthened a formerly rhotic vowel that didn't get lengthened despite being in stressed position. ä :> ɐ / _{ɪ, ʊ} ɪ̠ :> ɨ j w:> ʑ v /{$, V}_V Unrounded back vowels round. [ɐɪ ˈθɔt dɪs ˈsɪɾiː vød ˈbiː ɘ ˈpʰœːˌfɪt ˈpʰlɪs vø ˈɛvɻɨˌwœn ɡät oˈlɔŋ ə̃d ˈɛnɨˌvœn kʰod ˌbiː ˈɛnɨˌθɪŋ ‖ ˌtʰɔːɳʐ ...

The pronunciation of <to> regularizes to /ɾɘ/. ɘ ɘ̟ ɜ :> ɵ ɵ̟ ɞ / [+labial]_ l :> ʊ / V_ / V_V; resulting /ʊʊ/ is rendered /ʊː/. The first of two word-final plosives in a cluster is elided. Consonants cease to be syllabic before a vowel. [äɪ ˈθɔt ðɪs ˈsɪɾiː wɵd ˈbiː ɘ ˈpʰɞɻˌfɪt ˈpʰlɪs wɵ̟ɻ ˈɛvɻɪ̠ˌw...

That's quite enough :P /aɪ ˈθɔt ðɪs ˈsɪtiː wəd ˈbiː ə ˈpʰɝˌfɪkt ˈpʰleɪs wɛɚ ˈɛvɹiˌwʌn ɡɑt əˈlɔŋ n̩d ˈɛniˌwʌn kʰəd ˌbiː ˈɛniˌθɪŋ ‖ ˌtʰɝnz ˈaʊt | ˈlaɪfs ə ˈlɪtl̩ ˈbɪt mɔ˞ ˈkʰɑmpləˌkeɪtəd ˌðn̩ ə ˈsloʊɡn̩ ˌɑn ə ˈbʌmpɚ ˈstɪkɚ ‖ ˈɹiːl̩ ˈlaɪf əz ˈmɛsiː ‖ wiː ˈɔl həv ˌlɪmɪˈtʰeɪʃn̩z ‖ wiː ˈɔl meɪk mɪsˈtʰeɪks...

Syllabic /ɾ/ drops. /ɪw/ :> /ju/ j w :> ʒ v / V_$ ʒʃ :> ʒː js :> ʃ n̩ :> ə̃ /aʒ mʌs na fɪɾ | fɪɾ ɪˈjɪɾ dʌ ˈmajnˌxɪv | fɪɾ ɪˈjɪɾ dʌ ˈlɪɾuˌdæt dæ ɪˈbɾɪŋ ˈsʌvɾu ʌˈblɪrˌeʒːə̃ | aʒ vju feʃ fɪɾmɪ | aʒ vju fˈmɪ ɪ su fæs ˈʌbmɪʒ æn tɾumɪʒ | æn væn ɪˈhæɾ gan fæs aʒ vju sʌn dɪʒ ˈɪn aʒ su sɪʒ fætɪ | væɾ dʌ fɪɾ...

Vijay wrote:The original transcription is the one in the middle of that post. The mutated one is the one at the bottom.

Oh

Doesn't look like it to me...

Rewrote the IPA so that slashes get their conventional use; what were slashes are now pipes. ɪ ʊ :> j w / V_ /ɫ/ becomes /u/ when syllabic and /w/ otherwise. wv :> vː w :> v / [$V]_V /aj mʌst nɑt fɪɚ | fɪɚ ɪz ðə ˈmajnd ˈkʰɪvɚ | fɪɚ ɪz ðə ˈlɪɾuˌdɛθ ðæt bɹɪŋz ˈtʰowɾu əˈblɪɾɚˌejʃn̩ | aj vɪw fejs maj f...