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- Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:16 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 664689
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
therapeutic /ˌθerəˈpjutɪk/ or /ˌθerəˈpjutək/ (I'm not sure) something like [ˌθe̞ːɚ̯ɹʷəˈpj̊ʉːɾɪk] or [ˌθe̞ːɚ̯ɹʷəˈpj̊ʉːɾək] I don't know the vowel quality of the first vowel that well; I'm just using [e̞ːɚ] to indicate that it is rhotacized, at least at the end—it seems somewhat diphthongal, but not ...
- Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:10 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Something interesting about West Coast American English
- Replies: 44
- Views: 11247
Re: Something interesting about West Coast American English
I'm from the West Coast, but I haven't noticed this as a particular feature of the region's accents. I'm not particularly phonetically knowledgeable or observant, though. Nevertheless, I think in the "How do you pronounce" thread, people not from the West Coast, like Travis, have mentioned non-coron...
- Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:50 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Him and I.
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2952
Re: Him and I.
Yeah, this looks to me like the output of what Nicholas Sobin called the "and I" virus: basically just a rule rewriting "and me" to "and I" regardless of context. See on Language Log " Patterns of prestigious deviance ". It's quite common and it's been around for a while. English "case" is vestigial...
- Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:15 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Internet slang dating: is IIRC a somehow aging abbreviation?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 8586
Re: Internet slang dating: is IIRC a somehow aging abbreviat
I've advised my mom that she looks either fifteen or sixty-five when she strings twenty emoticons ("emoji" is a stupid word :p ) together. :p See, now, to me emojis and emoticons are different things. Emoticons are just a synonym for smileys of all forms :(, XD, ¬_¬;; and so on. Emojis are the Japa...
- Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:56 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Quick question about Germanic languages
- Replies: 15
- Views: 3547
Re: Quick question about Germanic languages
I think he's asking whether the fact that all this devoicing happened is a coincidence. I don't see why it would be, though. Aren't all of these cross-linguistically common sound changes? I'm not familar with unconditional word-initial voicing of fricatives happening in non-Germanic languages, alth...
- Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:43 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Quickie: <uy>
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2550
Re: Quickie: <uy>
Obvious, really, if you put it that way. More restrictively: are there phonemic diphthongs written <uy>, not just sequences of /u/ + /j/? Yes, English. <guy> is /g{j/, not /gu.j/. English <guy> is arguably better analyzed as <gu> /g/ (as in guild, guard, guest, guess) + <y> /aɪ/ (as in try, fly, cr...
- Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:24 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Characterization of proper /ç/
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2966
Re: Characterization of proper /ç/
Yes, I've always tried to pronounce it as /hj/ as in English huge (for people who don't simplify this cluster to /j/) or voiceless [j]; while technically it isn't, I think it's similar to how people impressionistically describe [ɬ] as voiceless /l/ (even though technically it isn't). When people try...
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:33 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461860
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
There was a discussion of this relatively recently on the WordReference forums: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/horn.3391577/
- Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:23 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlearn
- Replies: 669
- Views: 156728
Re: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlea
I've never heard "scarify" with BATH. BATH here is usually triggered only before coda rhotics, not intervocalic ones - hence "carry" and "car" have different vowels. Yes, but words formed on non-Latinate bases usually don't show these kind of vowel quality changes upon suffixation. I can't find a g...
- Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:22 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlearn
- Replies: 669
- Views: 156728
Re: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlea
I'm still not convinced theyre unrelated ... the Wikimedia etymology for scarification lists it as being a *Late* Latin word, which means it's likely not native, and could have been borrowed from the same original word that scar itself was ... which is apparently Greek, according to https://en.wikt...
- Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:04 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlearn
- Replies: 669
- Views: 156728
Re: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlea
When I first encountered the word "scarify" (and "scarification"), I read it as /ˈskɑrɪfaɪ/ (/ˌskɑrɪfɪˈkeɪʃən/) by association with the word "scar". ...Is it not? Wiktionary says it is, at any rate. Oh, I didn't check Wiktionary. Every other dictionary I've checked only gives the "marry" vowel for ...
- Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:39 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlearn
- Replies: 669
- Views: 156728
Re: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlea
When I first encountered the word "scarify" (and "scarification"), I read it as /ˈskɑrɪfaɪ/ (/ˌskɑrɪfɪˈkeɪʃən/) by association with the word "scar".
- Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:20 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 664689
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
[ˈfɔu̯ɫɪd͡ʒ] I simply ignore the "i", as in "marriage". Same. The reason I asked is that I found myself accidentally saying it with /oh/ instead of /ow/ the other day and it didn't sound odd to me, but so far I can't find any examples of that variant in the wild. Supposedly there's also a variant w...
- Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:44 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
- Replies: 2452
- Views: 426201
Re: The Innovative Usage Thread
A separate, but perhaps somewhat related innovation: I used to mentally pronounce "consonantal" and related words with /ˈɛntəl/, I guess because there are so many more common words that end in "-ental" like environmental, incidental, accidental, fundamental than there are than end in "-antal" (I gue...
- Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:19 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
- Replies: 2452
- Views: 426201
Re: The Innovative Usage Thread
Not sure of a better place to put this, but I wanted to share: I just realized that maybe there’s an incipient sound change in English where word-final /nt/ is simplified to /t/, as demonstrated by misspellings/confusions such as “tenant” for “tenet”, “dominate” for “dominant”, “laminant” for “lami...
- Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:35 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4940
Re: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
Vowel lenthv was lost in all R langs, so this change would need to have occurred in many other words. Perhaps it is indeed a tgpo, in tbe map isstelf, and there is only /N/, not /Nn/. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallo-Italic_languages says that eng is a reflex of intervocapic /n/ and that it is...
- Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:34 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4940
Re: Why does Lat. /ka'tena/ > N. It. /kad'æŋna/?
A number of Latin words show variation between sequence of long vowel + singleton consonant + vowel and short vowel + geminate consonant + vowel. A typical example is "littera~litera". It seems possible to me that /kaˈdeŋna/ might be the reflex of a Vulgar Latin /kaˈdɛnna/. That said, there might a...
- Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:53 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 664689
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays As an Indian myself (with parents from India), I've never heard this. I thought that pronunciation was normal and that the issue was with the spelling because in writing, it was a term that was (originally at least) only ...
- Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:41 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 664689
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən] Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there. The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/, with non-affricated /d/ and syllabic /...
- Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:54 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
- Replies: 2452
- Views: 426201
Re: The Innovative Usage Thread
thinking that "the Amazon stock price" is a possessive (the price of the Amazon stock). Isn't that generally true of English inanimate noun juxtapositions (i.e. juxtapositions of English inanimate nouns)? Personally, I don't think the distinction between compound nouns and possession in English is ...
- Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:42 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 664689
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Tanzania Rwanda Burundi Uganda (Please with phonemic and phonetic representations!) I don't really talk about any of these places much, so these pronunciations aren't very fixed, just current impressions. [ˌtʰeə̯̃ːnzə̟ˈniːɐ] /tænzəˈniɐ/ (there were posts about this earlier on the board here: http:/...
- Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:58 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Phonemes which are found in <5 languages or so
- Replies: 54
- Views: 14641
Re: Phonemes which are found in <5 languages or so
The problem is that phonemes are not really comparable (as Zompist has said somwhere, though I can't recall where off the top of my head), even if they're labelled the same, because they have different ranges of allophones. This. The vowels in IPA are just symbolic representations of sections of a ...
- Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:28 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Phonemes which are found in <5 languages or so
- Replies: 54
- Views: 14641
Re: Phonemes which are found in <5 languages or so
θ̪ *snorts with stifled laughter* But seriously yeah Phoible is fairly useless in several respects: another problem I find is how it sticks to the traditional IPA chart so rigidly that it leaves things like ejectives, aspirated consonants and affricaes out of the main table in a separate list which...
- Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:50 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Lexical diffusion and phonemicity
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1497
Re: Lexical diffusion and phonemicity
The only real solution I have come by for my dialect is that the consonants are never elided in the underlying form, but rather are only elided in the surface forms. But this is unsatisfactory because there are many words for which I elide about 95% of the time, and only do not elide when I am deli...
- Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:46 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Lexical diffusion and phonemicity
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1497
Re: Lexical diffusion and phonemicity
One thing I have noticed is that with regard to flap elision (i.e. elision of unstressed intervocalic /t d n nt nd/) in the dialect here is that it is very much subject to lexical diffusion - some words are more likely to have it that other words, with some words almost always having it, and some w...