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by Šọ̈́gala
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:13 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

OTOH the dissimilation may be something other than voiced stop to a voiced fricative. Your thoughts? In this model, what causes the different vowel coloring of h₂ vs. h₃? Note that Carrasquer Vidal has suggested that *k (i.e. not *kʷ or *ḱ) had the same vowel coloring effect as h₂ does. So, this is...
by Šọ̈́gala
Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:13 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Are the words in the Pella tablet recognizably Hellenic-like enough that the voiceless aspirates in question might be corrections by a scribe familiar with "correct" pronunciation? The possibility of voiced aspirates in Macedonian is fascinating, but without the Pella tablet data the possibility rem...
by Šọ̈́gala
Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:01 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

The only case that I've found where there are different grades of vowel coloring from different consonants (leaving aside palatal and rounding assimilation) is in modern Danish, where the backmost coloring results from /ʁ/ (orthographic "r"). However, there's no /X/ in Danish to compare it to as far...
by Šọ̈́gala
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

re: the oft-mooted problem of PIE's apparent stop system (tenuis-voiced-voiced aspirate), which is highly unusual if not just plain unattested, has anyone suggested the possibility that PIE actually had a voiceless aspirate series that systematically spirantised shortly before the spread and diversi...
by Šọ̈́gala
Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:49 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Thanks for pointing out Verner's law, I hadn't thought of that.

For purposes of early Germanic and Indo-European comparisons, it's the same difference if the word is inherited per se or is an intra-Germanic loan, e.g. Dutch to English.
by Šọ̈́gala
Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:41 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Eng. "peg" is an interesting word. It's the only inherited (i.e. direct from Proto-Germanic) word in English that I know of which begins with p- and appears to have a solid Indo-European etymology. That is, it appears to continue the elesuive PIE *b-. Wiktionary gives ... from Proto-Germanic *pig-, ...
by Šọ̈́gala
Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:20 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
Replies: 217
Views: 82715

Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...

What are the best papers/websites to get acquainted myself with the latest developments and understandings of Proto-Yukaghir and and Proto-Uralic reconstructions and of their last common predecesor? Are you on academia.edu? Their in-site search function isn't that great, so I recommend doing search...
by Šọ̈́gala
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:07 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Still, though, could it just be that Balto-Slavic simply lacked a distinction that Temematic had, and didnt pick it up during loanwords? e.g. maybe the Tememian system was b/p/pʰ, with only a single change from PIE That sounds plausible. Or maybe some from column A and some from column B. That is, ...
by Šọ̈́gala
Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:01 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

(not that this is very informative, but fwiw) Carrasquer Vidal, in his glottalic theory paper (https://www.academia.edu/8605000/The_glottalic_theory ), states that the "early PIE" system (voiceless-implosive-voiced) "can easily have developed out of an earlier (let’s call it ‘Nostratic’) system with...
by Šọ̈́gala
Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:43 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Is English "eight" (< P.Germ. /ˈɑx.tɔːu̯/) irregular for having /t/ rather than /θ/, or is that a regular exception to Grimm's?
by Šọ̈́gala
Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:07 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Or was the Armenian borrowed from Germanic via Syriac burgā , like Arabic burj ? So how is Syriac in any way closer to Armenian than Germanic is? Guus Kroonen proposes in his Germanic etymological dictionary that the Balto-Slavic cognates suggesting *bʰergʰ- would be actually loans from Germanic. T...
by Šọ̈́gala
Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:01 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
Replies: 217
Views: 82715

Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...

How does Aquan fit in?
by Šọ̈́gala
Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:34 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

So a third opinion on the stop correspondences between IE and Kartvelian? Dolgopolsky has: Has anyone attempted to explain this as different strata of vocabulary? Certainly no law of god or man says there can't be inherited "Indo-Kartvelian" vocabulary alongside one or more layers of early IE loan ...
by Šọ̈́gala
Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:32 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Travis B. wrote:WTH is that U+E001 supposed to be there?
I think I fixed it now. Should be k with dot below, representing the velar ejective. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstr ... %B8%B3erd- (and note that in this case the modern Georgian happens to be very similar).
by Šọ̈́gala
Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:33 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

For anyone who's curious, Carrasquer Vidal describes his version of IE/Kartvelian reflexes at the end of this short article on the glottalic theory: https://www.academia.edu/8605000/The_glottalic_theory I seem to recall seeing a slightly longer account somewhere else, but I can't find it. In this ar...
by Šọ̈́gala
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:29 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Per Carrasquer Vidal (a Nostraticist), PIE tenuis correspond to Proto-Kartvelian ejective; PIE plain voiced (ejective according to the glottalic theory) to Proto-Kartv. voiced; and PIE voiced aspirate to Proto-Kartv. voiceless aspirate, except for *bʰ which corresponds to Proto-Kartv. *b. This seems...
by Šọ̈́gala
Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:10 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Vowel gradation in Sanskrit and PIE
Replies: 5
Views: 2645

Re: Vowel gradation in Sanskrit and PIE

Note that if you go by the proposal made by various incl. Kümmel (cf. https://www.academia.edu/1538887/Typology_and_reconstruction_The_consonants_and_vowels_of_Proto-Indo-European ) that */e/ was earlier *[a] and */o/ was *[ā], then PIE vowel grades start to look extremely similar to Sanskrit vowel ...
by Šọ̈́gala
Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:55 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Are adjectival verbs compatible with inanimacy?
Replies: 8
Views: 2676

Re: Are adjectival verbs compatible with inanimacy?

What you could do, though, is to make inanimate subjects of intransitive verbs expressed as objects. But that makes it, I think, a quite standard fluid-S active-stative language. Right, that's what I was thinking. From an English perspective, it's almost like the stative verb is a transitive with a...
by Šọ̈́gala
Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:34 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Also, "stops are the only phonemes where voicing is phonemic" is not particularly remarkable crosslinguistically. About half the language surveyed by WALS with voicing only have voicing in the plosives. Right, that's a feature. If the goal is to explain why voicing assimilation doesn't affect this ...
by Šọ̈́gala
Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:38 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Vowel gradation in Sanskrit and PIE
Replies: 5
Views: 2645

Re: Vowel gradation in Sanskrit and PIE

Not claiming to be an expert on this, but the Sanskrit vowel gradation system doesn't seem all that different from the PIE system morphologically. In PIE, it's basically weak grade: ∅ + optional semivowel or anaptyctic *e if the syllable would otherwise be phonologically illicit guna grade: *e + opt...
by Šọ̈́gala
Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:19 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)
Replies: 18
Views: 6405

Re: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)

I follow the interpretation that palatovelars were actually plain and the plain velars were actually uvular. I agree, that one's pretty good. And, indeed, not altogether incompatible with what I said above: could be there was originally /ɟ/ /k/ /ɡʷ/ /kʷ/ /ɢ/ /q/. Indeed there do seem to be more tha...
by Šọ̈́gala
Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:44 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 461826

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

Has anyone ever suggested that PIE had an affricate series? I mean, I believe Beckwith suggested something like that, which is where I got the idea, although I can't find the passage I'm thinking of. I seem to recall Beckwith cited the idea as originating with someone else. But ... other than that? ...
by Šọ̈́gala
Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:30 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)
Replies: 18
Views: 6405

Re: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)

More specifically, unconditioned palatalisation of the voiced velar stop while the voiceless equivalent remains velar.
by Šọ̈́gala
Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:24 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)
Replies: 18
Views: 6405

origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)

Does anyone know of any theories on what motivated Proto-Semitic /ɡ/ to develop into /ɟ/ in Arabic? Is this sound change attested crosslinguistically? I started wondering about this while musing on the centum/satem split in Indo-European. If Proto-Indo-European, like Classical Arabic, had /ɟ/ and /k...
by Šọ̈́gala
Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:30 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: What foreign language have you dedicated the most effort to
Replies: 57
Views: 13451

Re: What foreign language have you dedicated the most effort

1) (Mandarin) Chinese. I am a marginally fluent speaker and can read a few hundred characters. That took a lot of effort! 2) Latin. I had several years of it in elementary school. I certainly don’t have much command of it, but I often surprise myself by remembering vocabulary and conjugations. 3) Ge...