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- Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:25 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
I was going to make a thread but this is probably not important enough of a question for its own thread. Wikipedia says s-mobile is found before voiceless stops and sonorants, but Wiktionary says that "steam" and "fume" are cognates, which means that it must trace back to a PIE form beginning with ...
- Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:34 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Not very likely, but could PIE voiced stops actually have been creaky voiced, giving it an unusual system of creaky-breathy-plain stops? Some idle thought I had.
- Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:42 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
There's a hypothesis how para-proto-Basque languages were spoken in all of Europe west of the Alps, described in a paper here . Tl;dr the main argument is that they served as substratum languages to proto-Germanic, proto-Italic and proto-Celtic and several typological features are explained as that ...
- Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:13 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Minimizing the noun-verb distinction? [split from Random Thread]
- Replies: 67
- Views: 21187
Re: Random Thread
It's an interesting thing, but not quite the same.
- Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Do the Baltoslavic long adjectival endings come from the PIE anaphorical pronouns *h₁éy *íh₂ *íd, or from the PIE relative pronouns *yós *yéh₂ *yód?
- Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:06 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 867566
Re: Romanization challenge thread
/pʰ ᵐ̥p tʰ ⁿ̥t kʰ ᵑ̊k ᶰ̥q/ <p b t d k g q> /m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ> /χ h/ <x h> /p̪͡fʼ t͡sʼ q͡χʼ/ <ff zz xx> /ɭ̆/ <l> /i u ɯ̽ e o̟ ɐ a (ə̹̠̥)/ <i u y e o ạ a (ẹ)> /pʰ ᵐ̥p tʰ ⁿ̥t kʰ ᵑ̊k ᶰ̥q/ <p ⁿp t ⁿt k ⁿk ⁿq> /m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ> /χ h/ <x h> /p̪͡fʼ t͡sʼ q͡χʼ/ <b d g> /ɭ̆/ <l> /i u ɯ̽ e o̟ ɐ a (ə̹̠̥)/ <i u y e o ...
- Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:28 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Minimizing the noun-verb distinction? [split from Random Thread]
- Replies: 67
- Views: 21187
Re: Random Thread
Just as another test case, is "forget-me-not" a noun? My dictionary thinks so (and I agree). Is it "really" an imperative VP? Not really an argument in the discussion, but that example reminded me of the dozen-or-so nouns in Bulgarian formed out of imperative + object, e.g.: въртиопашка rotate-2.SG...
- Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:53 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Romanization challenge thread
- Replies: 3842
- Views: 867566
Re: Romanization challenge thread
/m n ɲ/
/p b t d k ɡ/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʁ/
/l j ɥ w/
/i e ɛ ɛː u o ɔ y ø œ ə a ɑ/
/ɛ̃ œ̃ ɔ̃ ɑ̃/
/ɔ̃alɛselafənɛːtʁuvɛʁt/
/p b t d k ɡ/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʁ/
/l j ɥ w/
/i e ɛ ɛː u o ɔ y ø œ ə a ɑ/
/ɛ̃ œ̃ ɔ̃ ɑ̃/
/ɔ̃alɛselafənɛːtʁuvɛʁt/
- Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:23 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Other laryngeal features (aspiration, glottalisation etc.) (…) Not "etc"; those are all there is. Phonetically you can draw finer-tuned distinctions like "tense voice" versus "creaky voice", but phonologically all languages make do with just ±voice, ±spread ("aspiration") and ±tense ("glottalizatio...
- Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:18 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 630582
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
[θ] > [k] as an unconditional change? My gut tells me it's possible via, say, [x] or [θˠ] or [tˠ], but I'm not sure. I admit I mainly want this so a specific language family can have really weird sound correspondences. Come to think of it, one sound change I see being brought up a lot here (especia...
- Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:00 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Tropylium once suggested, either in a private e-mail or in a post to Nostratic-L, that Pre-Proto-Uralic may have undergone a chain shift of the sort *o > *u > *ü, which would mean that Proto-Indo-Uralic probably did not have front rounded vowels. A quite interesting suggestion. May I ask what's the...
- Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:56 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
I meant to say any post-root morpheme.
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Does the ending *-or exist in PIE, either as ablaut variant of *-er or as independent ending, and if it does, what does it mean? The 3sg middle primary (= present) ending. There is no ending *-er, and the closest is *-ēr, the old 3pl perfect ending, but this is not related in any way to *-or. Wasn'...
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:13 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Does the ending *-or exist in PIE, either as ablaut variant of *-er or as independent ending, and if it does, what does it mean?
- Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:08 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang Reconstruction Game 2014: we have a forum
- Replies: 97
- Views: 39097
- Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:50 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
I read that the word used to be a verb meaning 'I am here' that took either the thematic or the athematic ending and from there the difference in the forms *ég'oh₂ vs. *ég'om and reflexes. I've also read that PIE didn't have plural caseforms of cases other than N A D - is that true? If so, has anyon...
- Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:12 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Yeah I dunno about that. Why should all PIE words ultimately derive from CVC roots or CVC+CVC compounds? It makes it look like a conlang. Natural languages have all sorts of shapes for 'primary', 'underived' roots. Their exact shape and number depends on the language, but e.g. they may be CV, VC, CV...
- Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:57 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Was extending verbs with prefixes from adverbs or preposition the state of affiars in wide or narrow PIE? Seeing how this feature is present in Slavic, Germanic, Romance languages and Greek, but in different forms I've been wondering for a while. Or maybe it was a feature of the substrate.
- Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:16 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 899072
Re: Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)
There are certainly a few rivers in the Leic region, but I'm not sure about how big they could be - the inland areas are fairly dry, and the main river running west from the Ural-like mountain range turns north towards Ronquian territory. Is there a map of the rivers somewhere? The Akana wiki certa...
- Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:46 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 899072
Re: Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)
I'm in the process of finalising the Áżädgä lexicon, but never really got the hang of the setting, so I'm asking for help. Which of these objects and concepts exist or could exist in Western Tuysáfa during 0 YP? chimney girder, plank ball piglet canoe saddle chair boat sail of a boat angle palm bric...
- Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:51 pm
- Forum: None of the above
- Topic: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path
- Replies: 1058
- Views: 228564
Re: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path
Mutilated body washes up on Rio beach to be used for Olympics beach volleyball
- Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:49 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Life on a gas giant, the conworld
- Replies: 68
- Views: 29845
Re: Life on a gas giant, the conworld
XD man, for one's sole post to be the necroing of a four year old conworld. I'm kinda flattered I've been thinking about doing some more amphitrite, but the same reason the conworld idea is attractive is the reason why it's kind of hard to develop: it's entirely unprecedented, so there's almost no ...
- Tue May 24, 2016 3:23 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 899072
Re: Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)
What is a definite/indefinite distinction doing in 1st and 2nd person pronouns? What is the difference between 'a you' and 'the you'? Taking a blind guess here, maybe focus/topic? An interesting concept, to have the same morphological markers mark def/indef in nouns and adjectives, but focus/topic ...
- Mon May 16, 2016 11:26 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")
- Replies: 2538
- Views: 899072
Re: Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)
May I ask a question: how is progress in the reconstructions for Proto-T1 and Proto-Leic coming on? Still looking for people willing to reconstruct Proto-T1, tho there's at least one person on CBB who's made an attempt recently. Will maybe give it a shot after several months, depending on how thing...
- Mon May 16, 2016 11:21 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 461873
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Is there anyone still positing *tʰ? AFAIK it's only Indic languages that require it and all cases can be traced back to *tH instead.Richard W wrote:(The argument over PIE *tʰ might never be resolved.)