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- Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:07 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
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Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
I like this idea. If I were to make a degenerate "i dont like it" language from one of my own conlangs, I would do something very similar. I'd keep all of Poswa's verbal endings, which are often two or three syllables long, but have some of them merge with others due to sound changes in such a way ...
- Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:19 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
Grammar: Design Principles Munutuni's grammar is designed to maximize morphology necessary for agreement while minimizing morphology that elucidates meaning and could lead to words being left out due to context providing the necessary information. To that end, most inflectional paradigms, while lar...
- Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:45 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
Here are the revised personal pronouns, with segments somewhat re-randomized to fit the new inventory. I've decided, at least for the moment, to use v q x for the linguolabials, as above. fanufa - 1st person singular masculine fiseke - 1st person singular feminine niqemu - 1st person plural masculin...
- Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:54 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
OK, thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I've decided what I want to do. I'm adding the following three consonants and one vowel: /n̼ t̼ θ̼/ v q x or nm tp sf /ə/ e These bring the number of legal syllables to 40, nearly doubling it and bringing it somewhat above Central Rotokas's 35 legal morae* a...
- Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:34 am
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
I'd prefer to keep this one fully naturalistic. One small expansion I was considering for the phoneme inventory is linguolabials. They've been found in small natlang inventories, don't have any obvious phonological prerequisites, and I kind of dislike them because I find them difficult to distinguis...
- Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:51 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
I'm also a bit concerned I may have overdone the "small number of distinct syllables" thing. 21 possible syllables is substantially fewer than any natlang I'm aware of has, and I'm concerned it would necessitate an unreasonably fast rate of speech. I'm considering expanding the segment inventory a l...
- Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:39 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Different ways to do serial verbs
- Replies: 6
- Views: 4037
Different ways to do serial verbs
So I'm stalled on making Chavakani because I wanted to make heavy use of serial verb constructions, but I'm struggling at making them interestingly different from those found in the southeast Asian sprachbund, i.e. those found in Chinese and languages sharing regional influences with Chinese. What a...
- Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:56 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
I realized that since much of this project will involve using features I've rarely used, I may have some typological concerns. My first one concerns verb conjugation. I think what I want to do with verbs is have them conjugate for gender and pluractionality, but not for person. Does this seem typolo...
- Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:35 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Chavakani
- Replies: 28
- Views: 11221
Re: Chavakani
Serial verbs: Comparison This ends up sort of being an extension of the post on adjectives, but I didn't cover some important things then. In phrases comparing entities' qualities, the structure is is A ADJECTIVE MODIFIER B for verbal adjectives: Fúi sachí mbrê Túvi. "The horse is smarter than Tuvi...
- Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:57 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
Thanks, all. To be honest, the main thing that's actually ugly to me about this phonology is the rhythmic effect of rigidly equal-timed CV syllables, and it's something I don't get from syllable-timed languages in general. Something about specifically both being syllable-timed and never having codas...
- Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:48 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Chavakani
- Replies: 28
- Views: 11221
Re: Chavakani
And I'm curious about the root for nine. Is it from "almost" or "without" or any such thing? Since it doesnt seem to be related to the root for four. (This was more or less my strategy. I had basic noncompound roots for 1 to 5 and for 10, and derived the word for 9 from the word for "almost". I bel...
- Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:13 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Re: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
Ha. This actually looks like a language I might like. Even the name caught my eye, until I realized where it came from. I am interested to see the grammar, since your least favorite features seem to line up a lot with my favorites. Then this should be very interesting indeed. I was kind of hoping s...
- Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:47 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Munutuni: The Ugly Language
- Replies: 34
- Views: 10426
Munutuni: The Ugly Language
Last night, madness struck me. I was thinking about how there are features from natlangs I find aesthetically pleasing that tend to be overrepresented in my conlangs, as discussed in this thread . What if I challenged myself by setting out to build a naturalistic conlang out of features I dislike ? ...
- Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:57 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Latin [f]
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1637
Latin [f]
Does it occur in native vocabulary in any environments that aren't word- or root-initial? I seem to recall PIE *bh *dh became in most non-initial positions.
- Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Alternative way to describe person & number marking on verbs
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2743
Re: Alternative way to describe person & number marking on v
Do you have separate pronouns? Are the markers agglutinative, fusional, suppletive with one another? While High Lulani does not have verbal agreement, its pronouns seem to be similar to those you've described, so probably neither of us are the first to think this way. Yeah, that's what I'd want to ...
- Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:29 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Chavakani color terminology
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1702
Chavakani color terminology
So I've been thinking about color terms lately and I wanted to check whether this made sense. While most words are introduced in a "central" example of their color, the terms referring to white, light yellow, and light green or blue weren't legible so they're shown in black. Chavakani has the follow...
- Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:12 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 630087
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I'm wondering if there are any natlang examples of affricates deaffricating at one POA while remaining affricates at another, e.g. alveolar affricates deaffricating while palatoalveolars are preserved. Spanish says hi. If you're talking about the source of modern Spanish ch , I thought that wasn't ...
- Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:05 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Sanskrit "palatals"
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2440
Re: Sanskrit "palatals"
Really! Does that include the fricative as well, then?
Granted, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that proper palatal stops would have exclusively sibilants (palatoalveolar or otherwise) as reflexes in modern Indo-Aryan.
Granted, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that proper palatal stops would have exclusively sibilants (palatoalveolar or otherwise) as reflexes in modern Indo-Aryan.
- Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:29 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 630087
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Asymmetrical deaffrication by POA? I'm wondering if there are any natlang examples of affricates deaffricating at one POA while remaining affricates at another, e.g. alveolar affricates deaffricating while palatoalveolars are preserved. I know there are examples that are asymmetrical by voicing, usu...
- Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:30 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Sanskrit "palatals"
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2440
Sanskrit "palatals"
These are just normally reconstructed as alveopalatal sibilants, right? I more often see them transcribed with the characters for true palatals (occasionally even the fricative!) but I thought they were being used as shorthand for sibilant affricates as they are by some linguists. Am I correct?
- Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:33 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Free/Construct Noun States with unmarked plural
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2844
Re: Free/Construct Noun States with unmarked plural
French primarily marks noun number on preceding articles and is moderately synthetic. (Most of these nouns still have distinct plural marking in writing, but, well, that's written French for you.)
- Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:33 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Chadic Languages [resource request]
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2314
Re: Chadic Languages [resource request]
I'd also be very interested in this.
- Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:58 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)
- Replies: 18
- Views: 6404
Re: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)
Proto-Semitic relies too heavily on Arabic in exactly the same way that Proto-Indo-European relies too heavily on Greek and Sanskrit. Absolutely. The only thing that even makes me hesitate in saying that the "interdentals" were a sibilant series is Aramaic reflecting them as stops; I'm not aware of...
- Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:37 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)
- Replies: 18
- Views: 6404
Re: origin of Arabic /ɟ/ (plus centum/satem musings)
More specifically, unconditioned palatalisation of the voiced velar stop while the voiceless equivalent remains velar. This isn't an explanation so much as a more detailed description of what happened. What caused this palatalisation? Why was it unconditional? Why did whatever caused it not affect ...
- Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:46 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Germanic /p/
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3813
Re: Germanic /p/
Medial /pp/ can come from Kluge's law (pp < pn, bʰn, bn I'm not behind the times as to PIE /b/, am I? Is there actually confirmation that /b/ definitely existed now? Sorry, I just wrote "bn" there automatically since part of the idea of Kluge's law is that all of the phonation contrasts were neutra...