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by Zaarin
Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:06 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Does this set of changes look legit? pʰ > ʰp > xɸ, x _[C#] tʰ > ʰt > xθ, θ _[C#] kʰ > ʰk > xː > x, xk V_V Preaspiration to /x/ is reasonable, but intermediate *xp *xt fricativizing further seems odd. Clusters like these seem to often resist even fairly general fricativization. Compare Proto-Germani...
by Zaarin
Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:55 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".
Replies: 33
Views: 17760

Re: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".

GZH as in "luxurious"
..."luxurious" has /kʃ/ for me.

Also, apparently I've been completely mispronouncing alexithymia, which I assumed was [əˌɫɛksəˈθimiə]. I'm not sure if the /eː/ or the /ai/ is more counterintuitive here.
by Zaarin
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:08 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639881

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I've generally heard it /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ from most Americans, but I suppose my pronunciation would be similar linguoboy's if I were called upon to pronounce it. (I'm a bit of a foodie, so it's not where I'd choose to get my pizza. :p ) /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ "ess barro"? That's interesting. I can't remember ever hea...
by Zaarin
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639881

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I pronounce dulce de leche "caramel," because I'm so confused and haven't even the vaguest clue what language it is or how it should be pronounced. :p
by Zaarin
Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:35 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 639881

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I've generally heard it /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ from most Americans, but I suppose my pronunciation would be similar linguoboy's if I were called upon to pronounce it. (I'm a bit of a foodie, so it's not where I'd choose to get my pizza. :p )
by Zaarin
Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:19 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I'm curious about the assymetry between ʰp > x and ʰt > θ in _[C#]. Any particular reason? I had two thoughts in that regard: 1. I wanted /ɸ/ to be asymmetric in the group: where /θ x/ can occur in isolation (somewhat more frequently than these three sound changes suggest due to some later sound ch...
by Zaarin
Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Does this set of changes look legit?

pʰ > ʰp > xɸ, x _[C#]
tʰ > ʰt > xθ, θ _[C#]
kʰ > ʰk > xː > x, xk V_V
by Zaarin
Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:44 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: What do you call this?
Replies: 302
Views: 87962

Re: What do you call this?

A tin.
by Zaarin
Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:11 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
Replies: 217
Views: 78953

Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...

My issue with Amerind is that, even if it's true (which is very far from proven simply by genetic evidence), it seems to me that it would have been at a time depth that is utterly unprovable. Even younger proposed macro-families in North America like Hokan (generally disregarded), Gulf (now generall...
by Zaarin
Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:39 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Are there sound changes besides dropping the last consonant or vowel of a word that could happen to the last syllable of a word? I was thinking since /k/ in the proto-language already voices to [g] in intervocalic positions, and there's free variation between the stop form and fricatives [x~ɣ] (voi...
by Zaarin
Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:31 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlearn
Replies: 669
Views: 149479

Re: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlea

I'm used to /ʤ/ in Azerbaijan and Elijah and /ʒ/ in Beijing (almost universally in America, as linguoboy said), with Taj Mahal equally likely to be either in my experience (though hearing /ʒ/ in any of them wouldn't really surprise me). I have /ʤ/ in all of them, which is natural in Azerbaijan, Elij...
by Zaarin
Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: deriving conlangs, generally
Replies: 11
Views: 8326

Re: deriving conlangs, generally

I usually have an idea of what I want the daughter languages to look like before I create a proto-lang, then I create the proto-lang, then I create the sound changes necessary to give me what I originally planned for the daughter languages (or something like it anyway).
by Zaarin
Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:57 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Voynich manuscript
Replies: 40
Views: 19400

Re: Voynich manuscript

A Turkish family finds out that the Voynich manuscript is in some kind of Old Turkish. And all the known back story is wrong, it was actually stolen from Ottoman archives. Looks totally legit. :roll: Exactly. We all know it passed in direct succession from the Annunaki to Gilgamesh to Attila the Hu...
by Zaarin
Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:32 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Metathesis is usually a sporadic change. While I can't think of examples off the top of my head, it can be regular. Slavic liquid metathesis was regular as all hell. @Knit Tie: I find that reasonably plausible myself. Even the top version, without any schwas? Sure. I understand the motivation for t...
by Zaarin
Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:48 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

mèþru wrote:Metathesis is usually a sporadic change.
While I can't think of examples off the top of my head, it can be regular.

@Knit Tie: I find that reasonably plausible myself.
by Zaarin
Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:44 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
Replies: 217
Views: 78953

Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...

Is there actually good evidence for Niger-Congo? I've always been skeptical of this. I don't believe in the validity of Afroasiatic, Nilo-Saharan, or Niger-Congo (or, God forbid, Khoisan...). Which Afroasiatic? According to my understanding of the evidence, Boreoafroasiatic (Semitic-Egyptian-Berber...
by Zaarin
Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:36 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
Replies: 217
Views: 78953

Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...

but given the general low amount of isolates in Africa or even the Near East, this is unlikely to make a big difference Well, bear in mind that the Near East got leveled by Semitic (and Indo-European) relatively recently. Look further back and you have isolates like Sumerian and Elamite, small fami...
by Zaarin
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:15 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 2452
Views: 413468

Re: The Innovative Usage Thread

Using surface as a transitive verb doesn't seem strange to me in the slightest; I wouldn't have even noticed it had you not pointed it out. Web search as a noun in place of the expected search engine , though, is odd. I've started working as a transcriptionist, and something I've noticed is just how...
by Zaarin
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:41 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448306

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

I mean technically we can't actually know for sure how the Akkadian "emphatics" were pronounced; I've even heard it proposed that they were in fact aspirates developed under Sumerian influence, which would turn the constraint against multiple emphatics in a root into something more like Grassman's ...
by Zaarin
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:48 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
Replies: 2225
Views: 448306

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread

is there anything especially appealing about an unmotivated general ejective > implosive shift, other than that it explains the dearth of /b/? Is this shift typologically common? It happened in Yucatec Maya (/pʼ/ > /ɓ/ only), and it happened several times independently in Afroasiatic. There doesn't...
by Zaarin
Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Replies: 116
Views: 61286

Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions

yangfiretiger121 wrote:Is having [c k] as one glyph with /k/ as the underlying phone workable?
Can one glyph represent multiple phonemes or allophones? Certainly, ask your physician or medic. (Note that in that sentence <c> denotes [kʰ s ʃ k] respectively.)
by Zaarin
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Full IPA Consonant Chart
Replies: 2
Views: 3312

Re: Full IPA Consonant Chart

Usually they're listed separately, I believe.
by Zaarin
Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:50 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

s > θ (Zhuang, Turkmen, Burmese) ʃ > s θ > ʃ (Biblical Hebrew) This looks nice, Nort, but I'm not sure if I can exclude the dental /s̪ˤ/ from this change, as I'd like to do. Perhaps I could go with something like this? s̪ˤ > θ ʃ > s̻ s > s̺ > ʃ s̻ > s θ > s So your ultimate goal is that s > ʃ, s̪ˤ ...
by Zaarin
Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:57 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 613749

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Also, how can you turn /ʃ/ and /ʒ/ into /s̪/ through an intermediate without using /ɬ/ Well, as far as plausability goes, no intermediate necessary. Devoicing /ʒ/ > /ʃ/ is extremely plausible; /ʃ/ > /s̪/ is also extremely plausible. If you want /ʃ/ and /s/ to switch places, how about this: /s/ > /s...
by Zaarin
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:27 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Are the h and ng sounds allophones?
Replies: 31
Views: 16961

Re: Are the h and ng sounds allophones?

finlay wrote:also rat-rap and rat-trap aren't minimal pairs, what?
...They certainly are for me.

rat rap [ˈɹ̱ˁʷæʔ ˈɹ̱ˁʷæp̚]
rat trap [ˈɹ̱ˁʷæʔˌtʰɹ̱ˁʷæp̚]