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- Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:06 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Does this set of changes look legit? pʰ > ʰp > xɸ, x _[C#] tʰ > ʰt > xθ, θ _[C#] kʰ > ʰk > xː > x, xk V_V Preaspiration to /x/ is reasonable, but intermediate *xp *xt fricativizing further seems odd. Clusters like these seem to often resist even fairly general fricativization. Compare Proto-Germani...
- Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:55 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".
- Replies: 33
- Views: 17760
Re: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".
..."luxurious" has /kʃ/ for me.GZH as in "luxurious"
Also, apparently I've been completely mispronouncing alexithymia, which I assumed was [əˌɫɛksəˈθimiə]. I'm not sure if the /eː/ or the /ai/ is more counterintuitive here.
- Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:08 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 639881
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I've generally heard it /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ from most Americans, but I suppose my pronunciation would be similar linguoboy's if I were called upon to pronounce it. (I'm a bit of a foodie, so it's not where I'd choose to get my pizza. :p ) /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ "ess barro"? That's interesting. I can't remember ever hea...
- Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:02 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 639881
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I pronounce dulce de leche "caramel," because I'm so confused and haven't even the vaguest clue what language it is or how it should be pronounced. :p
- Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:35 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 3108
- Views: 639881
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I've generally heard it /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ from most Americans, but I suppose my pronunciation would be similar linguoboy's if I were called upon to pronounce it. (I'm a bit of a foodie, so it's not where I'd choose to get my pizza. :p )
- Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:19 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I'm curious about the assymetry between ʰp > x and ʰt > θ in _[C#]. Any particular reason? I had two thoughts in that regard: 1. I wanted /ɸ/ to be asymmetric in the group: where /θ x/ can occur in isolation (somewhat more frequently than these three sound changes suggest due to some later sound ch...
- Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:49 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Does this set of changes look legit?
pʰ > ʰp > xɸ, x _[C#]
tʰ > ʰt > xθ, θ _[C#]
kʰ > ʰk > xː > x, xk V_V
pʰ > ʰp > xɸ, x _[C#]
tʰ > ʰt > xθ, θ _[C#]
kʰ > ʰk > xː > x, xk V_V
- Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:44 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: What do you call this?
- Replies: 302
- Views: 87962
Re: What do you call this?
A tin.
- Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:11 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
- Replies: 217
- Views: 78953
Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
My issue with Amerind is that, even if it's true (which is very far from proven simply by genetic evidence), it seems to me that it would have been at a time depth that is utterly unprovable. Even younger proposed macro-families in North America like Hokan (generally disregarded), Gulf (now generall...
- Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:39 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Are there sound changes besides dropping the last consonant or vowel of a word that could happen to the last syllable of a word? I was thinking since /k/ in the proto-language already voices to [g] in intervocalic positions, and there's free variation between the stop form and fricatives [x~ɣ] (voi...
- Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:31 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlearn
- Replies: 669
- Views: 149479
Re: Incorrect pronunciations you have (or have had) to unlea
I'm used to /ʤ/ in Azerbaijan and Elijah and /ʒ/ in Beijing (almost universally in America, as linguoboy said), with Taj Mahal equally likely to be either in my experience (though hearing /ʒ/ in any of them wouldn't really surprise me). I have /ʤ/ in all of them, which is natural in Azerbaijan, Elij...
- Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:36 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: deriving conlangs, generally
- Replies: 11
- Views: 8326
Re: deriving conlangs, generally
I usually have an idea of what I want the daughter languages to look like before I create a proto-lang, then I create the proto-lang, then I create the sound changes necessary to give me what I originally planned for the daughter languages (or something like it anyway).
- Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:57 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Voynich manuscript
- Replies: 40
- Views: 19400
Re: Voynich manuscript
A Turkish family finds out that the Voynich manuscript is in some kind of Old Turkish. And all the known back story is wrong, it was actually stolen from Ottoman archives. Looks totally legit. :roll: Exactly. We all know it passed in direct succession from the Annunaki to Gilgamesh to Attila the Hu...
- Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:32 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Metathesis is usually a sporadic change. While I can't think of examples off the top of my head, it can be regular. Slavic liquid metathesis was regular as all hell. @Knit Tie: I find that reasonably plausible myself. Even the top version, without any schwas? Sure. I understand the motivation for t...
- Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:48 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
While I can't think of examples off the top of my head, it can be regular.mèþru wrote:Metathesis is usually a sporadic change.
@Knit Tie: I find that reasonably plausible myself.
- Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:44 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
- Replies: 217
- Views: 78953
Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
Is there actually good evidence for Niger-Congo? I've always been skeptical of this. I don't believe in the validity of Afroasiatic, Nilo-Saharan, or Niger-Congo (or, God forbid, Khoisan...). Which Afroasiatic? According to my understanding of the evidence, Boreoafroasiatic (Semitic-Egyptian-Berber...
- Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:36 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
- Replies: 217
- Views: 78953
Re: Nostratic, Eurasiatic, Mitian, ...
but given the general low amount of isolates in Africa or even the Near East, this is unlikely to make a big difference Well, bear in mind that the Near East got leveled by Semitic (and Indo-European) relatively recently. Look further back and you have isolates like Sumerian and Elamite, small fami...
- Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:15 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
- Replies: 2452
- Views: 413468
Re: The Innovative Usage Thread
Using surface as a transitive verb doesn't seem strange to me in the slightest; I wouldn't have even noticed it had you not pointed it out. Web search as a noun in place of the expected search engine , though, is odd. I've started working as a transcriptionist, and something I've noticed is just how...
- Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:41 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 448306
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
I mean technically we can't actually know for sure how the Akkadian "emphatics" were pronounced; I've even heard it proposed that they were in fact aspirates developed under Sumerian influence, which would turn the constraint against multiple emphatics in a root into something more like Grassman's ...
- Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:48 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
- Replies: 2225
- Views: 448306
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread
is there anything especially appealing about an unmotivated general ejective > implosive shift, other than that it explains the dearth of /b/? Is this shift typologically common? It happened in Yucatec Maya (/pʼ/ > /ɓ/ only), and it happened several times independently in Afroasiatic. There doesn't...
- Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:24 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Aʻatun Scratchpad: Inventory questions
- Replies: 116
- Views: 61286
Re: Altrunian Conlang Scratchpad: Inventory questions
Can one glyph represent multiple phonemes or allophones? Certainly, ask your physician or medic. (Note that in that sentence <c> denotes [kʰ s ʃ k] respectively.)yangfiretiger121 wrote:Is having [c k] as one glyph with /k/ as the underlying phone workable?
- Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:36 pm
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Full IPA Consonant Chart
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3312
Re: Full IPA Consonant Chart
Usually they're listed separately, I believe.
- Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:50 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
s > θ (Zhuang, Turkmen, Burmese) ʃ > s θ > ʃ (Biblical Hebrew) This looks nice, Nort, but I'm not sure if I can exclude the dental /s̪ˤ/ from this change, as I'd like to do. Perhaps I could go with something like this? s̪ˤ > θ ʃ > s̻ s > s̺ > ʃ s̻ > s θ > s So your ultimate goal is that s > ʃ, s̪ˤ ...
- Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:57 pm
- Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 2827
- Views: 613749
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Also, how can you turn /ʃ/ and /ʒ/ into /s̪/ through an intermediate without using /ɬ/ Well, as far as plausability goes, no intermediate necessary. Devoicing /ʒ/ > /ʃ/ is extremely plausible; /ʃ/ > /s̪/ is also extremely plausible. If you want /ʃ/ and /s/ to switch places, how about this: /s/ > /s...
- Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:27 am
- Forum: Languages & Linguistics
- Topic: Are the h and ng sounds allophones?
- Replies: 31
- Views: 16961
Re: Are the h and ng sounds allophones?
...They certainly are for me.finlay wrote:also rat-rap and rat-trap aren't minimal pairs, what?
rat rap [ˈɹ̱ˁʷæʔ ˈɹ̱ˁʷæp̚]
rat trap [ˈɹ̱ˁʷæʔˌtʰɹ̱ˁʷæp̚]