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by Ulrike Meinhof
Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:00 am
Forum: None of the above
Topic: LaTeX: How do you insert IPA characters?
Replies: 30
Views: 11609

Re: LaTeX: How do you insert IPA characters?

ß∂∫æ and those are the four IPA symbols I can shortcut to atm. Might relink some more later though. Uhm, those first three aren't IPA symbols. I assume you were aiming for βðʃ, but those are different from your Eszett, partial derivative and sum symbol, respectively. I mostly use Aszev's X-SAMPA to...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:38 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Polyglottal Telephone 17 [done]
Replies: 161
Views: 30853

Re: Polyglottal Telephone (number 17)

From: Danish, English, French, Norwegian, Swedish*
To: English, French, Swedish*

If anyone's willing to translate into Old French, I'd be happy to translate out of it.
by Ulrike Meinhof
Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:20 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Very quick question about IE mediopassive cause I am lazy
Replies: 11
Views: 2827

Re: Very quick question about IE mediopassive cause I am laz

Well, it was -sk historically (attested in Old Norse and in English loans from Norse like bask , lit. "bathe oneself"), but you're right, in the Modern Scandinavian languages it has become -s ( -st in Icelandic). Oh, right, okay. In some Norwegian dialects it's -st too. I don't know if it's even pr...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:18 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Very quick question about IE mediopassive cause I am lazy
Replies: 11
Views: 2827

Re: Very quick question about IE mediopassive cause I am laz

hwhatting wrote:Suffixing a clitic form of the reflexive pronoun into a kind of reflexive-mediopassive ending set is an areal features - Scandinavian languages (-sk)
Is that a typo for -s, or are you referring to a morpheme I'm not aware of?
by Ulrike Meinhof
Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:49 am
Forum: None of the above
Topic: The Official ZBB Quote Thread
Replies: 2878
Views: 651667

Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

Bryan wrote:patiku, it doesn't work. :'(
Yes it does, if you're intelligent enough to copy-paste the whole thing after the slash in the URL bar.
by Ulrike Meinhof
Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:28 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Sources of "because"
Replies: 68
Views: 11996

Re: Sources of "because"

*Ceresz wrote:You do have a point though, seeing as I wouldn't pronounce the first att as [atː] if I were to even keep it in the sentence.
Uhm... then how would you pronounce it?
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:12 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Gender of loanwords
Replies: 45
Views: 9112

Re: Gender of loanwords

Don't some Swedes* exhibit masculine/feminine agreement in adjectives, e.g. store = m., stora = f./n., or is that mostly/entirely gone by now? * Not counting the Swedes who clearly distinguish masculine/feminine in other ways, that is. I think those who do it consistently are rare and would be very...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:52 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Gender of loanwords
Replies: 45
Views: 9112

Re: Gender of loanwords

Thanks! So this looks like Swedish has at minimum four genders (common-male, common-female, common non-male/female, and neuter), if one doesn't count, things like han / hon for neuter nouns, but sees them as the result of conflicting triggering rules, or six genders (common-male, common-female, com...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:21 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Gender of loanwords
Replies: 45
Views: 9112

Re: Gender of loanwords

Also, if we use that definition, Swedish has four genders after all, since we have "he" and "she" as well. But only one of them affects verbal agreement, arguably. I tried to figure the Swedish gender system out from the Swedish Grammar page on wikipedia. Three questions: 1) How do the pronouns wor...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:53 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Gender of loanwords
Replies: 45
Views: 9112

Re: Gender of loanwords

So my point is, while most linguists are taking the pragmatic approach "definiteness inflection = gender" It's not just that, it's agreement too. If you were to claim that stol and katt were of different genders because they decline differently in the plural ( stol ar and katt er ), you'd be at a l...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:59 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "Go" as a nonhuman "speech" marker
Replies: 23
Views: 4063

Re: "Go" as a nonhuman "speech" marker

Colloquial Swedish would use bara 'just, only' in examples like "the car goes/went KBROINK" ('bilen bara KBROINK'). But I'm unsure about how to express it more formally without it sounding all too stilted, like "the car made a noise that sounded KBROINK". EDIT: Actually, låta 'sound' might be a good...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:30 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Morphoplogical change stimulated by Sprachbunds.
Replies: 18
Views: 3964

Re: Morphoplogical change stimulated by Sprachbunds.

BTW I didn't bring up the spread of non-cash payment types idly. Social scientists have developed a model for the spread of innovations among human communities that works regardless of the actual nature of the changes introduced. It was originally developed by observing the adoption of seed corn va...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:47 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: PC pronouns
Replies: 56
Views: 19258

Re: PC pronouns

In Swedish it's marked, you say; but was that the case too before the pronoun hen was fabricated? I'm curious. Hen hasn't made that deep an impact, it's still just a neologism floating on top of the language, although being picked up more often than before. The thing is, colloquial Swedish (except ...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:10 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: PC pronouns
Replies: 56
Views: 19258

Re: PC pronouns

I've noticed a few instances where Facebook assumes you're male even if you haven't specified gender. The only one I recall at the moment is (in the French version), when there's a like button on external websites and none of your friends has yet liked the thing (a video, a blog post or whatever), ...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:36 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: PC pronouns
Replies: 56
Views: 19258

Re: PC pronouns

This happens on facebook with people who have not specified their gender. "John Smith updated their work history." I've noticed a few instances where Facebook assumes you're male even if you haven't specified gender. The only one I recall at the moment is (in the French version), when there's a lik...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:27 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: PC pronouns
Replies: 56
Views: 19258

Re: PC pronouns

Swedish normally has han and hon for 'he' and 'she' respectively, but as late as this year there has been a huge debate on the gender neutral hen , which has gained quite some popularity. As far as language planning goes anyway. Of course the traditional pronouns are still massively outnumbering the...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:52 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Latin / Romance -mus verb ending
Replies: 6
Views: 2078

Re: Latin / Romance -mus verb ending

Soap wrote:http://enwp.org/PIE_verb shows several different possibilities for the PIE version of it, but they all seem to be unanalyzable single morphemes, which suggests that no one really knows "why" it came from -mes or -mos or whatever it is.
1sg -mi + plural? </never studied IE linguistics>
by Ulrike Meinhof
Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:10 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Bizarre Sound Changes
Replies: 190
Views: 96734

Re: Bizarre Sound Changes

Don't know if there were mentioned in the earlier thread but: ON. /θ/ -> Far. /tʰ/ and /h/ Icelandic has: Proto-Norse o (then I-umlaut) -> Old Norse <ø> /ø/ -> Modern Icelandic <æ> /ai̯/ (might not be written down precisely, but you get the picture, I hope). Also Icelandic: ON /kn/ (knífr) -> Moder...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:07 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: categorizing vowels
Replies: 53
Views: 10320

Re: categorizing vowels

This should be moved to the L&L Museum.
by Ulrike Meinhof
Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:58 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Mɛdíṭṣai Location and Motion Description (Was: SVCs)
Replies: 25
Views: 12943

Re: Serial Verb Constructions in Mɛdíṭṣai

It's sad that posts with these kind of really detailed grammatical descriptions are so few, and when finally they appear, they're hardly commented on. I'll try to comment on a few things, although I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to say anything too valuable, I'm afraid. These two SVCs: (...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:12 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Subclause-shmubclause.
Replies: 12
Views: 2142

Re: Subclause-shmubclause.

The huge impact that it was predicted these movements would have on music didn't take place. The boy that it was predicted you would give the ball to didn't come. ?? But that's not what the original French sentence says, which is literally more akin to "The huge impact that one predicted...". Which...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:31 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Subclause-shmubclause.
Replies: 12
Views: 2142

Re: Subclause-shmubclause.

Yng wrote:All OK.
Okay, so wtf. I'm glad I'm not studying syntax anymore because I can't get my head around what's fundamentally different about the music impact sentence.
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:14 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Subclause-shmubclause.
Replies: 12
Views: 2142

Re: Subclause-shmubclause.

the.boy REL I thought that you gave the.ball to Or does that work in English too? Yes, that's fine; that's the sort of sentence I talked about verbs of thinking sneaking into. Okay, so what about "the boy that I thought mom said you would give the ball to"? Or "the boy that you're not allowed to gi...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:43 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Subclause-shmubclause.
Replies: 12
Views: 2142

Re: Subclause-shmubclause.

For what it's worth, this type of construction is entirely unproblematic in Swedish, the equivalent being den häftiga effekt (som) man trodde att dessa rörelser skulle ha på musiken inträffade aldrig the massive impact (REL) one thought that these movements would have on music occured never This wou...
by Ulrike Meinhof
Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:04 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: التلفون المتعدد اللغات ١٦ (Polyglottal Telephone XVI)
Replies: 157
Views: 27664

Re: التلفون المتعدد اللغات ١٦ (Polyglottal Telephone XVI)

It didn't even occur to me that "fabelaktig" was meant to be "fabulous" and not "like a fable", and that "tappe" was "tap" and not "drop", heh. That is because I don't really know any Norwegian :D No, it's because I don't, apparently! You translated it right, I misunderstood because of Swedish inte...