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Pazmivaniye wrote:Ancient delidle [dɛ.lid.lɛ]
Proto-Palethic delile [dɛ.li.lɛ] Classical Palethian rèlile [ɾɛˈlil] Modern Palethian thelü [|eˈly] (that's a click)

Dŕbatkovi tkeilī [ˈtkɛə̯liː], borrowed into Arıvadha as tıkelhıli [ˌtɨkɛˈʎʑ̩li] > Benarvath dıgeyizl [dəˈgɑiɹʲəl]

Going with a Western European feel to this, but with <w>. /m p b f v n t d θ ð ɬ ɫ r ʈ͜ʂ ɖ͜ʐ ʂ ʐ ŋ k g x ɣ* w h/ <m p b f v n t d th dh lh l r ç/c** ge/g** s z ng c/qu** g/gu** ch gh w h> /i ɪ y ʏ e ɛ (æ) a u ɔ ɑ ʉ ə/ <i i*** ü ü*** ei è (à) a ou o â u a> /jɪ jɛ ja jæ ju jʉ jɔ jɑ/ <yi iè ia ià iou i...

Mekeaty ŋu rete neamea poki ku peta kame te my. Aren'y you effectively creating digraphs there? What with <neamea> /nʲamʲa/ and such? Well, I am, but only for /ʲa/. Otherwise, every other secondary/vowel pair has its own letter: /ˠa ʲə ˠə ʲɨ ˠɨ/ a e o i y . You could use an a with some diacritic in...

So I have problems romanising this consonant inventory, preferably without digraphs indicating palatalisation/velarisation/labialisation. /mʲ mˠ nʲ nˠ ŋ ŋʷ/ /pʲ pˠ tʲ tˠ k kʷ/ /rʲ rˠ/ The current romanisation is below. /mʲ mˠ nʲ nˠ ŋ ŋʷ/ ‹ j m y n k q › /pʲ pˠ tʲ tˠ k kʷ/ ‹ b p d t g c › /rʲ rˠ/ ‹ ...

Nortaneous wrote:Salenzian zhirgem [ʒiʁ'gɛm] Arve djingegimm [ˌɟiʀɪˈgɛm]

Satheira dirigaen [diɾiˈgae̯n] > Shesta deriziem [deˈɾizjẽ]

Pazmivaniye wrote:Kannow kʼirģama [kʼɯ̯iʐˈɢɑmɑ] Lakushan kīẓgāmā [kiʐˈgɑː.ma]

Arıvada kišıkama [ciʐɻ̩ˈgaːma] > Benarvath giřgame [ˈʝɪɹgae̯mɛ]

Nortaneous wrote:Ta-lrm-zrq'-k'r ᶅa-ga-ms [ɬa.ga.m̩s] Insular Kett allakaoms [ɐˈʰɬakɐ.m̩s]

Dŕbatkovi athākamus [ɐˈθˤaːkɐmus] > Rovaei dhā’ema [ˈaːʔəmə]

ˈgɰ˞ɤ̹u̯s̻ɰ̟˞i, ˈgɰ˞ɤ̹u̯s̺ɰ̩˞.

Wattmann wrote:

Chagen wrote:/ɢʰ/

Do you even know what that sound sounds like

A breathy-voiced uvular plosive. Unattested, but plausible for a language with both voiced aspirates and uvulars.

Wattmann wrote: Proto-Wargish [kiɣisit] Salty Wargish [teɟ͡ʝet]

(the proto-language was an appropriate bribe)

Arıvadha tezet [ˈtɛʑɛt] > Benarvath deyeth [ˈdɑiɜˤ]

The third line in the first stanza is missing a foot.

Nortaneous wrote:n̰, and your coronal nasals are laminal postalveolar

What do you mean? A creaky-voiced n? How does that even give anything not covered by a regular n?

What could be a plausible parent phoneme for [n], [ʃ] and [dʲ]?

Nortaneous wrote:Ciöneth: êthpixeje [ɜθpiçeˈje] Hathe ıthı'iceye [ʔɨðɨʔiçejə]

Arıvadha zıdhı izelha [ɕʑ̩ð̞ɨ iʑɛʎɐ]

It's made worse by pronouncing it as a native Portuguese word. I remember meeting an [udsɒ̃], and it took me a while to figure it out. I had the same problem once with a [vagiˈneχ]. I had to see it written before it made any sense. I'm going to go on an extreme guess and suggest that this is an ove...

Bristel wrote:Tomina šyný [ʃɯˈnɨ] > Teskwan: sounyn [sʷunɨn]

Where did the extra /n/ come from? It's not nasalized...

Nortaneous wrote:PY ralūnen /ʁ̥aluːnen/ [xə.ˈlũ.nə̃] Continental Kett höiűnöm [xø̀ɥýnø̀m]

Satheira ħeunun [ˈxeønun] > Tomina šyný [ʃɯˈnɨ]

I don't think d > ð > ʕ is too weird. In one of my langs I have *d > ʕ: *d lenites to *ð and then merges with *ɣ, which has an allophone of [ʕ] before back vowels; vowels then move around to make /ʕ/. I kinda find it weird that *t and *θ become pharyngeal(ized), though. What are the exact details y...

Is /d/ > /ð/ [ð̞ˤ] > /ʕ/ > vowel retraction plausible? I was thinking that for a descendant of Dŕbatkovi I could have /d/ and syllable-final /t/ and /θ/ pharyngealize and cause all kinds of damage on the surrounding vowels, to eventually have a 3-vowel system with length and an overload of glottal ...

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Nortaneous wrote:Cherun tlkainuva [tɬɪ̆kaːi̯nɯɸʷæ]

Hoavi kikkainuve [kʰɪ̥ˈʰkɑɪ̯nɨβɛ]

> Cëzëdeğozin xehkōnive /xɛhkɔ͡ɪ̯nivɛ/ [xɛː.kə͡ɪ̯.ˈni.b^βə]

Drbatkovi theikinība [θˁɛə̯ciˈniˑbɐ] > Rovaei āičnawa [ˈɑɛ̯tɕnʊʋə̆]

Is /d/ > /ð/ [ð̞ˤ] > /ʕ/ > vowel retraction plausible? I was thinking that for a descendant of Dŕbatkovi I could have /d/ and syllable-final /t/ and /θ/ pharyngealize and cause all kinds of damage on the surrounding vowels, to eventually have a 3-vowel system with length and an overload of glottal s...

I don't remember most of my dreams, but I can tell you that for the last three weeks or so, they have been almost entirely in a "full" version of my conlang, as if my lexicon were Arka-sized... And by the time I wake up, I get the urge to add like fifty words to the lexicon, and by the time I try to...

Nortaneous wrote:How alien? Alien as in Klingons, or alien as in apical uvulars?

Not even alien, I can pronounce them with a little effort, but they sound almost exactly like apical velars.

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treegod wrote:"Men raped more than women in the US"

What I saw first was... "Men (have) raped more than (just) women in the US".

OMG it's triply ambiguous!

antriguous ?

Way to continue the "eleven-twelve" thread.

And I don't think using an unaspirated [p] is a big deal in English. I know plenty of Spanish that do. Except that to many English speakers, unaspirated onset (not intervocalic or final) [p] will very likely be heard as /b/, which will have unaspirated [p] as a very common allophone in that positio...