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So with regards to my previously-mentioned phonemic inventory collapse idea, what do you say about this: 1)b d dʒ g → m n ɲ ŋ/_Ṽ 1.5)g → ɣ 2)w r j ɣ → m n ɲ ŋ/_Ṽ 3)b d dʒ → w r j/!_Ṽ m n ɲ ŋ → w r j ɣ/!_Ṽ Does this sound plausible to you? Wouldn"t it create too many morphemes of one series? Also, I'...

Thanks! The voicing distinction in the Safidi dialect comes straight from Classical and Egyptian Arabic loanwords, which comprise about half of the lexicon, as opposed to about a third in the standard language, and are almost never assimilated. So after the standard language went through the Great M...

I'd like to ask this: what is the quickest way to collapse a SAE phoneme inventory inventory (so 5-7 vowels, nasals, liquids, voiced vs. voiceless fricatives and voiced vs. voiceless plosives) into something with as few distinct consonant series as possible (so something like Greenlandic, with nasal...

Plusquamperfect - That looks overloaded with features to the point where any orthography that's not massively defective or a con-script purpose-designed specifically for this lantuage isn't going to cut it. And as an aside, it does look kitchen-sinky to the point that many, myself included, would sa...

I'm not sure if this counts as a necro, but have this Guarani-esque Mesoamerican-South African alternate history lostlanɡ of mine: /p t tʃ k (ʔ)/ /ʋ~w~m ð~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/ /(ɓ) (ɗ)/ /f s ʃ x~h/ /l ʎ r j ʋ~w/ /(w’~m’) (n’) (j’~ɲ’) (l’)/ Syllables are limited to (C)(W)V(W) - I love CV langs, CV langs are co...

Consonants: /pʰ~f~p p β t̪ʰ~t̪s̪~t̪ t̪ ð tʰ~t~tʃ t d~r~ð ʈ ʈʰ~ʂ~ʈ ɖ~ɻ kʰ~k k ɣ q~ʔ/ /m n̪~n n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ /f v s̪ z̪ ʃ ʂ h/ /tʃ dʒ/ /(r) l~ɺ ʁ̞~h ɭ~ɺ̢  ʎ~lj j w/ /mp mb n̪t̪ n̪d̪ nt nd ɳʈ ɳɖ ŋk ŋg/ /n̪t̪s̪ ɲtʃ ɲdʒ/ /ɱb̪v n̪d̪z̪/ The aspirated plosives are rare and currently in the process of being either...

Because I can't resist flaunting my newly-refrankenstein'd conlang subfamily: /ɕilĩ:/ /m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ /p pʰ b ɓ t tʰ d ɗ ʄ k kʰ g kʷ kʰʷ gʷ Ɂ/ /ᵐb ᵐp ⁿd ⁿt ɲɟ ɲc ᵑɡ ᵑk ᵑɡʷ ᵑkʷ/ /f v s z ʃ ɕ ʒ ʑ x ɣ h ɬ ɮ/ /mpf mb͡v nt͡s nd͡z nt͡ʃ nd͡ʒ ŋk͡x ŋg͡͡ɣ nt͡ɬ nd͡ɮ/ /r l/ /j w/ /a e i u o ə/ All vowels can be lo...

Who said Bantu? I have a whole subfamily of Bantu-ized English-descended languages in the works. /ɕilĩ:/ /m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ /p pʰ b ɓ t tʰ d ɗ ʄ k kʰ g kʷ kʰʷ gʷ Ɂ/ /ᵐb ᵐp ⁿd ⁿt ɲɟ ɲc ᵑɡ ᵑk ᵑɡʷ ᵑkʷ/ /f v s z ʃ ɕ ʒ ʑ x ɣ h ɬ ɮ/ /mpf mb͡v nt͡s nd͡z nt͡ʃ nd͡ʒ ŋk͡x ŋg͡͡ɣ nt͡ɬ nd͡ɮ/ /r l/ /j w/ /a e i u o ə/ A...

Right, my bad with the improper use of brackets. As for the natlangs, I know that they are common in this thread - I think my own native language was romanised here on three different occasions.

Let's try some natlangs, shall we? /pˠ pʲ bˠ bʲ t̪ˠ tʲ d̪ˠ dʲ k c ɡ ɟ/ /fˠ fʲ vʲ sˠ ʃ x ɣ ç h/ /w ɹ̝ʲ j/ /mˠ mʲ n̪ˠ nʲ ŋ ɲ/ /ɾˠ/ /l̪ˠ lʲ/ /iː ɪ uː ʊ eː ɛ oː ɔ a aː ə/ /əi əu iə uə/ /vʲi: ɔxtar mak aɡʊs ɔxtar ɪɲhæn aɡ pʲædar ʊə li:ɣarʲɛ aɡʊs aɡ mɑ:rʲɛ nʲi: hʊəhaɟ mɔ çænaharʲ aɡʊs mɔ çænawɑ:harʲ vʲi: ...

My own version: Consonants: /pʰ~p͡x p b tʰ~t͡x t d kʰ~k͡x k g c ɟ q ʔ/ <ph p b th t d kh k g c j q ʻ> /kʰʷ~k͡xʷ kʷ gʷ qʷ/ <khw kw gw qw> /ɓ ɗ t' k' c' ʄ q'/ <bb dd tt kk cc jj qq> /m n ŋ ɲ/ <m n ŋ ɲ> /ŋʷ/ <ŋw> /r ɹ ʁ/ <r ry rh> /tsʰː~tsːx ts dz tʃʰ~tʃx tʃ dʒ tɕ̻ʰ~tɕ̻x tɕ̻ dʑ̻ tɬ dɮ/ <ths ts dz thsh ...

Mèþru: there aren't any macrons. There're only tildas and tone letters.

Edit: You mean /ä/? That's a centralised [a], copypasted straight from the IPA list of vowels.

Mid tone is unmarked, ˩ and ˥ signify low and hight tone on the preceding vowel, respectively.

This isn't a Shayana language at all, but rather their closest surviving relative, developed from the same proto-language. Consonants: /pʰ~p͡x p b tʰ~t͡x t d kʰ~k͡x k g c ɟ q ʔ/ /kʰʷ~k͡xʷ kʷ gʷ qʷ/ /ɓ ɗ t' k' c' ʄ q'/ /m n ŋ ɲ/ /ŋʷ/ /r ɹ ʁ/ /tsʰː~tsːx ts dz tʃʰ~tʃx tʃ dʒ tɕ̻ʰ~tɕ̻x tɕ̻ dʑ̻ tɬ dɮ/ /ts...

Nomad Shayana vowels Mk2.

/ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ ɯ ɤ ʌ æ/
/i: u: e: o: ä: y: ø:/
/ɪ̃ ĩ: ʊ̃ ũ: ɛ̃ ɛ̃: ɔ̃ ɔ̃: æ̃ ʌ̃ ä̃: ʏ̃ œ̃ ɯ̃ ɤ̃/
/ɪ˩ ʊ˩ ɛ˩ ɔ˩ ɯ˩ ɤ˩ ʌ˩ æ˩/
/i:˩ u:˩ e:˩ o:˩ ä:˩ y:˩ ø:˩/
/ ɪ̃˩ ĩ:˩ ʊ̃˩ ũ:˩ ɛ̃˩ ɛ̃:˩ ɔ̃˩ ɔ̃:˩ æ̃˩ ʌ̃˩ ä̃:˩ ʏ̃˩ œ̃˩ ɯ̃˩ ɤ̃˩/

Nomad Shayana, the last of the three: Consonants: /pʰ~p͡xʰ p~p͡ɰ b~bɰ tʰ~t͡x t~t͡ɰ d~dɰ kʰ~k͡x k g c ɟ ʔ/ /pʰʲ~pç pʲ~pʲj bʲ~bʲj tʰʲ~tç tʲ~tʲj dʲ~dʲj/ /kʰʷ~k͡xʷ kʷ gʷ/ /ɓ ɗ t' tʲ' k' c'/ /m~mw n~nɰ ŋ ɲ/ /mʲ~mʲj nʲ~nʲj/ /ŋʷ/ /ɾ~ɾɰ ɹ~ɹj~ʐ̺~z/ /t͡sʰː~t͡sːx t͡s~t͡sɰ d͡z~d͡zɰ t͡ʂ̺ʰː~t͡ʂ̺ːx t͡ʂ̺ d͡ʐ̺ t͡ɕ̻ʰ...

Seeing how Shayana borrowed heavily from other languages (via assimilation of other peoples into the Liin society), I'd say that we need not bother with any etymology at all - we just say that it's a loanword. As for the phonetics, it's probably going to be pronounced as [mʲɛɐdɾ] (standard dialect),...

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <м н нь нг> /b (d) dʒ/ <бб (л) ж> /p t ts tɬ tʃ k/ <б д дз дл щ г> /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tɬʰ tʃʰ kʰ qʰ/ <п т ц тл ч к къ> /f s ʃ χ h/ <ф с ш х хъ> /r/ <р> /w l j/ <в л й> /i u ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ a/ <ие оу и у е о а> High and low tones with high tones more marked than low <ыэ ёю ы ю э ё я> for high tone vowels.

Roman? Not Cyrillic? Damn. :( Anyway: /m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ŋ> /b (d) dʒ/ <bb (l) j> /p t ts tɬ tʃ k/ <b d dz dlh dx g> /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tɬʰ tʃʰ kʰ qʰ/ <p t ts tlh tx k q> /f s ʃ χ h/ <f s x c h> /r/ <r> /w l j/ <w l y> /i u ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ a/ <ii uu i u e o a> High and low tones with high tones more marked than low <...

And here we go! Ilosean Shayana V 3.0, and I'm thinking of naming one of the famous in-universe poets Mètru (or, if you wish, Mèsru) in honour of your contribution to my conlang - perhaps he will be one of the pioneers of literature written in the colloquial speech of his time, as opposed to the ol...

Speaking of SAE, am I correct in thinking that both of my Shayanas aren't very SAE-like either?

This says something about Phoenician and Ilosean Shayana, doesn't it? I can't tell what, though.

It says "Phoenician Shayana isn't a dialect of Ilosean Shayana, but instead is a distinct language" with a very alpha-version grammar.

Mèþru, I doubt that the allophony shift can make sense if it occurs before the vowel deletion - I can see the yod-insertion arising spontaneously, but nothing else.

I see. I'll fix it this evening.

That looks great, mèþru! Although I'd like to ask you why you chose to retain the glottal stop instead of the affricate in the [ˈoˤ.qe.t͡sʰːekt] to [ˈo˧˩ʔeə̯̆k˧] transition and why you chose to delete the /s/ in [nexeset] and turn it into [ˈn̟ʲeə̯̆˧xeə̯̆t˧] instead of [ˈn̟ʲeə̯̆˧xsxeə̯̆t˧]. Anyway, r...