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KathTheDragon wrote:Except /raʊt/ is non-existent (afaik - some dialect somewhere could have it, I suppose) in British English, which you'd need to account for.

I doubt /raʊt/ exists in America either, I think those who have said that they say /raʊt/ mean /ɹaʊt/.

Also, I normally pronounce "route" as /ru(ː)t/ (there are many who say /raʊ̯t/), but several years ago I was informed that I should pronounce "router" as /ˈraʊ̯tər/ if I wanted to be taken seriously. Though I now find that both dictionary.com and wiktionary.com list /ˈru(ː)tər/ as well ... Brits ne...

I feel as if I've been working on Quebric for a rather long time, and I'm kinda thinking that some of it may be over-complicated, maybe it isn't... I dunno. Now I have revisited some things more than once to revise them or completely redo them, so that's taken some time, but I feel like it's never e...

Sevly wrote:Very nice! If there is any thread worth necroing, it's this one. Conlang sound samples are always great, and dubs are even better

Indeed. This is a great thread. I've been coming here to listen to them over the last few days. Hopefully I'll be able to share something soon.

I really don't like the northern-dialect's vowel /ɨ̞/, which is just an absolutely f-ing ugly sound. I much prefer the southern /i/. I don't necessarily like the sound of /ɨ/, but I think it's cool that Welsh has it. (My own speech lacks it, since I learned to speak Hwntw) I'm a hwntw learning gog ...

Since my Welsh classes have started back up I've remembered something else I dislike about it:

I really don't like the northern-dialect's vowel /ɨ̞/, which is just an absolutely f-ing ugly sound. I much prefer the southern /i/.

2+3 clusivity wrote:

dyolf wrote:Gondor, Mordor and Eriador all have rhotic Rs, and so don't really fit the /sɛlə dɔ̝ː/ thing.

Did J.R.R. have a rhotic or non-rhotic accent?

Just stumbled upon this clip of Tolkien reading "One Ring to rule them all..." and I noticed his pronunciation of Mordor.

Can anyone explain the difference between the prefixes 'cyd-' and 'cyf-'? They appear to mean the same thing - the coming together of two things, but I think they're used differently somehow.

So reading and saying dd, ff, ll etc isn't really a problem. Another note is that the Welsh people's attitudes to Welsh, particularly Welsh speakers, is that we're very protective of the language, and so I very much doubt people will be pronouncing ll as anything other than /ɬ/, unless they physica...

I've heard from e.g. here that Welsh <ll> is actually pronounced [ç] by many Welsh speakers, while still being distinguished from /x/. Diddorol iawn! I learned Welsh pronunciation from a native German-speaker and I never recall hearing [ç] for /ɬ/. I wonder if it could be regional? But I've listene...

OT: Ether . I'm not sure where I picked up the pronunciation with stressed /ɛ/ unless it was by backformation from ethereal . I too pronounce it /ˈɛðɹ̩/--I guess it's supposed to be /ˈiθɹ̩/? But I pronounce ethereal /əˈθiɹˤiəl/. I've never pronounced the word with /ð/. That's just plain bonkers. I ...

Is English remarkable for having verbs for eat, drink and consume?

I haven't read “LotR”. I have watched the movies and they didn't amaze me. I have tried watching the whole “Star Wars” trilogy and it didn't entertain me either. I got bored and moved to more interesting things. “Lord of the Ring” and “Star Wars” may have been “the thing”, the breakthroughs, the re...

Aragorn is supposed to be beardless because of his Elven lineage, too. Are you sure about that? I'm positive the text references his grey beard at least once. Hobbits are said to be beardless except for the Stoors, but the only Man I recall being explicitly referenced as being beardless is Prince I...

While we're complaining about the Peter Jackson films, did Tolkien ever describe Elves or Hobbits as having pointy ears? There's evidence they do. My complaint against Jackson's portrayal of elves is that Tolkien certainly didn't describe them being so...androgynous. Cirdan is supposed to have a be...

Welsh: I don't really like the inflected prepositions - it's just a pain in the arse for a learner. I love the inflected prepositions. They're one of the most distinctive features of modern Celtic languages. I love them in other languages, too. Like I wish there were a whole paradigm for con in Spa...

In the lead-up to the new season of American Horror Story I have been pronouncing the season's sub-title, Roanoke, as /ˈroʊ.ənoʊki/ and I just found out that it's actually /ˈroʊ.ənoʊk/. In my defence, I know next to nothing about Native American cultures or languages.

Now there's a can of worms on par with "do Balrogs have wings". Here's an overview of both sides of the argument. In short, it's highly ambiguous. There's evidence elves had pointy ears, and there's evidence they didn't. (hobbits are, however, explicitly said to have slightly pointed ears) Going by...

Currently, the longest Quebric word is andebrydhiair rebel (noun). The lexicon only has 337 words so far so there's plenty of scope for a longer word in the future.

Welsh:

I don't really like the inflected prepositions - it's just a pain in the arse for a learner.

While we're complaining about the Peter Jackson films, did Tolkien ever describe Elves or Hobbits as having pointy ears?

As much as I love the LOTR films, they cast Aragorn all wrong... twice. Viggo Mortensen was much too young to play Aragorn and his character was all wrong - he was nowhere near "grim" enough.

Mae fy swydd newydd yn fewn carchar. Go n-éirí leat. D'fhoilsigh The Economist alt fesna fadhbannaibh leis an gcóras príosúin atá ann faoi láthair i Sasana is san Bhreatain Bheag agus is ní deas an t-ábhar léitheoireachta é. Good luck to you. The Economist printed an article on the problems facing ...

mèþru wrote:He definitely doesn't use IPA in his appendices, but those were written for lay people under the mistaken assumption that they would read the appendices.

I read them

mèþru wrote:The first version of the IPA was actually made before Tolkien's birth. Every draft has used <y> for /y/

Maybe he was familiar with it then. I've definitely seen somewhere where he wrote something like "French u for Sindarin y" but for the life of me I cannot remember where. There are so many books!