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by Fooge
Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal Eng
Replies: 44
Views: 18899

Re: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal

I thought the 2nd plural pronoun is actually being revived in American English - y'all is becoming more common outside the south, and those people who use y'all for 2nd singular are saying all y'all . In addition, you guys seems is considered "normal" in the northeast (probably will be standard the...
by Fooge
Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:07 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: More English vowels
Replies: 13
Views: 4154

Re: More English vowels

"wash" historically had the same vowel as in "crash" and "smash". Then vowel rounding occurred causing the TRAP vowel to become rounded after "w" hence the present pronunciations of "wander", "wasp", "wash", "want", "wand", "watch" etc. The rounding didn't occur before velar consonants as in "wagon"...
by Fooge
Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:24 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal Eng
Replies: 44
Views: 18899

Re: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal

"we all live in the yellow submarine. yellow submarine. yellow submarine". Lyrics to a Beatles song.
by Fooge
Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:03 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Occurrence of spelling pronunciations
Replies: 35
Views: 15794

Occurrence of spelling pronunciations

They seem to occur mostly in words which are often learned first in reading. For instance, "kiln" is a word that's commonly first encountered in reading and so commonly has a spelling pronunciation with a sounded "n". However that's not always the case. "often" and "clothes" have spelling pronunciat...
by Fooge
Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:48 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Something interesting about West Coast American English
Replies: 44
Views: 11237

Re: Something interesting about West Coast American English

As far as I know, the historical development in standard English is as follows: /l/ lost in -alk words resulting in /ɔːk/, which makes sense if we assume it was some kind of vocalization of /l/ to [w] in this context that occured before the change of [au] (=[aw]) to /ɔː/. (I don't know if we actual...
by Fooge
Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal Eng
Replies: 44
Views: 18899

Re: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal

Will singular "they" be as acceptable as singular "you" currently is in formal English in the future? Is singular "you" acceptable in formal English? In my day, one was instructed to use "one". Yes, using "you" as a singular pronoun is acceptable. It used to be only a plural pronoun. "thou" and "th...
by Fooge
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:35 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal Eng
Replies: 44
Views: 18899

Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal Eng

Will singular "they" be as acceptable as singular "you" currently is in formal English in the future? I wish it would. In a commercial I heard "Your doctor wouldn't do your job, so why should you do hers.". They apparently had to pick a gender for the doctor since singular "they" was considered unac...
by Fooge
Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:17 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The word "gal".
Replies: 21
Views: 5912

Re: The word "gal".

"Guy" is not gender-neutral. When you say something like "we need a Linux guy", everyone will picture a man. My example was bad because of the use of the plural; I much more often hear it in the singular. Another example is that our weekly reminder to fill out our timesheets frequently includes som...
by Fooge
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Something interesting about West Coast American English
Replies: 44
Views: 11237

Re: Something interesting about West Coast American English

Brit here, and I don't believe I have ever heard the l pronounced in any of these words, except maybe "balm" I might insert an /l/ there because it's an uncommon word to hear in conversation and overpronouncing it would aid comprehension, but it's not there in my spontaneous pronunciation. I hear s...
by Fooge
Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:37 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The word "gal".
Replies: 21
Views: 5912

The word "gal".

This word apparently came from a nonrhotic pronunciation of the word "girl". How did nonrhotic "girl" give rise to "gal" however? It seems like a major change in the vowel. The word seems to be nearly extinct now. I mainly hear it among old people.
by Fooge
Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:15 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "You can't eat your cake and have it too".
Replies: 5
Views: 2289

"You can't eat your cake and have it too".

This is the original expression and the one that makes sense. You can't eat your cake and still have it. The nonsensical "you can't have your cake and eat it too" has become more common.
by Fooge
Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:46 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "elder brother" and "elder sister".
Replies: 10
Views: 3425

Re: "elder brother" and "elder sister".

Disclaimer: I'm an only child. However, "elder brother" and "older brother" both sound rather formal to me; in my experience most siblings seem to prefer the term "big brother/big sister" informally. However, especially in a joking context, it wouldn't sound strange to me to hear a younger sibling ...
by Fooge
Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:27 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Him and I.
Replies: 7
Views: 2950

Him and I.

The lyrics to a recently released song "In the end, it's him and I".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA7AIQw-7Ms

That sounds strange to me. Mixing an object pronoun and a subject pronoun. I'd expect "it's him and me", or in really formal speech maybe "it's he and I". "It's him and I" sounds strange.
by Fooge
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:02 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "elder brother" and "elder sister".
Replies: 10
Views: 3425

"elder brother" and "elder sister".

Do these seem old fashioned to you? Personally I'd always say "older brother" and "older sister". "elder" sounds a bit old fashioned.
by Fooge
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:15 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Why don't British singers sing with a British accent?
Replies: 15
Views: 5527

Re: Why don't British singers sing with a British accent?

In the song "Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter" by Herman's Hermits, the singer uses a British accent.
by Fooge
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:44 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Many people apparently think there's a [g] sound in "ng" wor
Replies: 21
Views: 5612

Re: Many people apparently think there's a [g] sound in "ng"

[similarly, some people think there's an /h/ in /S/ and /T/. But this is less common, probably because we don't have any productive, shibbolethical "dropping the H" process]. Also, "sh" and "th" are usually taught as digraphs representing /S/ and /T/ when teachers are teaching phonics to students. ...
by Fooge
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:54 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 663912

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

A kid I went to high school with was from California, however he spoke nonrhotically due to a speech impediment. People would always ask him where he was from.
by Fooge
Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:00 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Many people apparently think there's a [g] sound in "ng" wor
Replies: 21
Views: 5612

Many people apparently think there's a [g] sound in "ng" wor

https://books.google.com/books?id=5f5dAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=%22where+is+the+g%22+%22phonetics+for+dummies%22&source=bl&ots=1xO09Huxky&sig=wruct6LZmciPrPlwzAc2HfSPiyM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7oMmqy_DWAhUi3YMKHcmgCPkQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22where%20is%20the%20g%22%20%22phonetics%20for%20dummies%...
by Fooge
Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:32 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Why don't British singers sing with a British accent?
Replies: 15
Views: 5527

Why don't British singers sing with a British accent?

Why is it that British singers such as the Beatles don't sing with a British accent?
by Fooge
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 663912

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

How do you pronounce "caramel"? I pronounce it as "carmel".
by Fooge
Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:19 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 663912

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

Pole, the wrote:“pretty”
I pronounce that as "pritty". Does anyone rhyme the word with "petty"?
by Fooge
Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:01 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Is "trypophobia" a word?
Replies: 16
Views: 5314

Re: Is "trypophobia" a word?

Oh, is "trypa" not a valid Ancient Greek noun? It seems to be listed in LSJ , although I don't know what the exact time boundaries are for that dictionary. It seems odd to me that a longer word based on the root would exist in Ancient Greek, but the shorter word that seems to lack the affix only ca...
by Fooge
Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "ain't" in Merriam-Webster's and mention of "Black English"
Replies: 4
Views: 2160

"ain't" in Merriam-Webster's and mention of "Black English"

There was a petition to remove the reference of "Black English" from Merriam-Webster's definition of "ain't" because it was viewed as offensive and discriminatory. https://www.change.org/p/promoting-education-or-discrimination-vote-today-to-make-a-change?source_location=topic_page Looks like the pet...
by Fooge
Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:36 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Is "trypophobia" a word?
Replies: 16
Views: 5314

Is "trypophobia" a word?

Is "trypophobia" a word? I've seen it used online often for the fear of holes. However no dictionaries recognize it.
by Fooge
Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:34 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 663912

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

How do you pronounce "Halloween"? I pronounce it like "Hallow ween", but I've heard some people pronounce the word as if it were "Holloween". There was a separate thread on this a while back: H/æ/lloween versus H/ɑ/lloween I wonder if the "Holloween" pronunciation originates from people mistakenly ...