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by Grunnen
Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:40 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 631402

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Cool stuff! Thanks What's the final phoneme inventory? consonants ʰp p b ʰt t d c ɟ ʰk k g f s ʃ χ m n ɲ ŋ ʋ l ʎ ʀ w j vowels front fr.round back high i ɪ y ʏ u ʊ mid e ɛ ø o ɔ ə low a ɑ all vowels except /ə/ have both a long and a short variant, which contrast phonemically (due to loss of final vo...
by Grunnen
Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:28 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 631402

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Hmm, somehow doubled my post...
by Grunnen
Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:32 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 631402

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Well, don't just stand there with a bunch of sound changes, show us some future-Dutch words! straat "street" /stʀat/ becomes /ʰtʀa:/ pompen "to pump" /'pɔmpə(n)/ becomes /fɔb/ binden "to bind" /'bɪndə(n)/ becomes /bɪnt/ ritselen "(ehh)" /'ʀɪtsələ(n)/ becomes /ʀɪ:zɔw/ raspen "to grate" /'ʀɑspə(n)/ b...
by Grunnen
Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:48 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 2827
Views: 631402

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I saw a number of threads here of people who were creating future descendants of English, and that got me thinking. So now I am working on a future descendant of Dutch, as that's probably easier for me. I've come up with a number of sound changes of which I'm not sure if they are plausible. The curr...
by Grunnen
Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:07 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Adding "extra" phonological material to avoid homophony
Replies: 22
Views: 4166

Re: Adding "extra" phonological material to avoid homophony

love how English uses "X-X" reduplication to mean "real X". Wouldn't that be because compounds in Germanic languages are formed on the model of specifier-headword? So that if you use reduplication, the headword is specified to mean it(-s real )self? It works that way in Dutch too btw. I'm not sure ...
by Grunnen
Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:32 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Adding "extra" phonological material to avoid homophony
Replies: 22
Views: 4166

Re: Adding "extra" phonological material to avoid homophony

TaylorS wrote: love how English uses "X-X" reduplication to mean "real X".
Wouldn't that be because compounds in Germanic languages are formed on the model of specifier-headword? So that if you use reduplication, the headword is specified to mean it(-s real )self? It works that way in Dutch too btw.
by Grunnen
Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:17 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Colours as surnames
Replies: 56
Views: 9140

Re: Colours as surnames

In The Netherlands: Groen "Green": 11 877 Groene "Green (One)": 77 De Groene "The Green (One)": 179 Total number of surnames containing groen: 197 Rood "Red": 1 938 Rode "Red (One)": 119 Roode "Red (One)": 555 De Rode "The Red (One)": 51 De Roode: 1 565 Bruin "Brown": 3 500 Bruijn/Bruyn: 1 809 De Br...
by Grunnen
Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:37 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: formal-informal distinction with family question/survey
Replies: 31
Views: 6353

Re: formal-informal distinction with family question/survey

25 years ago, I remember my Dutch cousins addressing their parents with U , not jij . Yes, that was the norm before the 60s/70s, but still in use a while ago. Nowadays I would expect that only in the bible belt. The informal 2s pronouns are used for family, except perhaps (great) grand parents (alt...
by Grunnen
Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:12 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 666002

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I'm wondering about the pronunciation of 'year'. I say /jIr/, but I have noticed quite a lot of /j@r/ (or something like that, anyway). Is this a real phenomenon and where does it occur? I've only heard the latter in really posh RP. In the really posh RP I heard it'd be [jəː]. Normally they'd say [...
by Grunnen
Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:34 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 666002

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I'm wondering about the pronunciation of 'year'. I say /jIr/, but I have noticed quite a lot of /j@r/ (or something like that, anyway). Is this a real phenomenon and where does it occur? I've only heard the latter in really posh RP. In the really posh RP I heard it'd be [jəː]. Normally they'd say [...
by Grunnen
Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:20 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: natural "interlanguages"
Replies: 19
Views: 3930

Re: natural "interlanguages"

Aw. I wish this kind of situation was a possibility for me, but speaking to Norwegian or Danish people is naturally no problem, as I'm Swedish. It just works out. Our languages are too similar to cause much trouble. Icelandic I've been studying for too long, and I'm slowly getting there with Faroes...
by Grunnen
Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:05 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 666002

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I learned how to pronounce it from IPA transcription, so my pronunciation is something like... [kju:nIform], I guess. Haha, that is how I learn most of my English pronunciations. Myself, I pronounce it [kj̥uːnɪfɔːm], but that's just taken from a pronunciation dictionary. So I guess my source is pre...
by Grunnen
Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:46 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 3108
Views: 666002

Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

I'd try to say [ˈkl̥əʊ̯.sə]. I also like to convince myself I in fact get very close to that.
I'd like to know how you pronounce cuneiform. If I'm correct British English has something like /ˈkjuːnɪfɔːm/ and Am E /ˈkjuːniːəfɔrm/... Is that recognisable?
by Grunnen
Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:04 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Replies: 136
Views: 18492

Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?

Normally I'd say, in Dutch, something in between [ʋikiˈpedija] and [ʋikiˈpeɪdija], but trying to speak English it would become something like [wɪkʰɪpʰiːdijə] I think, although I'm not sure if I actually aspirate the [k]. Hmm, guess I don't. Btw, rather off topic, but is there a symbol to denote a so...
by Grunnen
Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:46 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Old Frankish/Franconian
Replies: 4
Views: 1400

Re: Old Frankish/Franconian

A book to start with might be Old English and its Closest Relatives by Orrin Robinson. It doesn't go into much detail, but I don't know how much detail it's possible togo into. Thanks, my library turned out to have a copy of the book, which I am reading now. The problem with Old Frankish is that it...
by Grunnen
Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:28 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Old Frankish/Franconian
Replies: 4
Views: 1400

Old Frankish/Franconian

Does anyone have information about the Germanic languages spoken in Belgium and Northern France around 500/1000 CE or know where to get it? I have been searching with terms such as Old Frankish, Old Franconian, Frankish language, but that doesn't exactly yield mountains of interesting information. I...