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by zompist
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:37 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: What do you call...
Replies: 22
Views: 13974

Re: What do you call...

They're pronouns. It's not at all difficult to get pronouns before their antecedent: After she met the magician, Lynn was never the same. He was a barbarian. He was a king. His name was Conan. Did you see that ? That's a new species! So you can do it right, I'm going to have Max demonstrate firing a...
by zompist
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:09 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".
Replies: 33
Views: 18621

Re: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".

I'm not going to say it's 100% predictable, mostly because I don't feel like doing a lot of research on it right now. :) But I suspect a few rules will handle most of the variation: 1. Unvoice the x finally, or before an unvoiced consonant (as spelled): box, exclaim, excite, expect 2. Use /kʃ/ /gʒ/ ...
by zompist
Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:08 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".
Replies: 33
Views: 18621

Re: A sixth pronunciation for the letter "x".

Kind of painful to read someone talking about pronunciation with apparently no understanding of allophony or phonetic environment. E.g. you can't have <ia> = [ajej] at the end of a word, and I'm pretty sure four of those x's are allophonic. Mandarin x is not terribly obscure-- Xi'an, Xinjiang, Deng ...
by zompist
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison
Replies: 23
Views: 13595

Re: Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison

It's I who do that. It's me who does that. I, who loathe the idea, will resist it. Why have they asked me, who doesn't approve of the plan, to implement it. Thanks for the examples. Neat and a little weird! I think I'd agree with you on the first pair. I'd probably say the second in preference to t...
by zompist
Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:18 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison
Replies: 23
Views: 13595

Re: Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison

Does anyone have a natlang counterexample at hand? That is, an example where the subclause itself varies depending on whether it's attached to a subject or an object? In my usual English, 'who' with antecedent 'I' has 1s concord, but with antecedent 'me' it has 3s concord. This rule also works when...
by zompist
Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:23 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Intelligibility between dialect and standard language
Replies: 5
Views: 4533

Re: Intelligibility between dialect and standard language

If you marry a foreigner, you'll get lots of data. :) My wife is from Peru; she's been here for decades now, but accents can still be difficult for her. It works in reverse too. Talking with Spanish speakers, some are very easy to understand, some are terrible. Certainly the more standard the speech...
by zompist
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:32 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison
Replies: 23
Views: 13595

Re: Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison

The Greek example is great, though keep 'em coming. :)

I have the Comrie and I had a note to myself to re-read it, so I will make sure I do that.

Malagasy only allows relativization of the subject of a clause. To get anything else you need to change the voice (fortunately there's at least three).
by zompist
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:10 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Faites-le le
Replies: 10
Views: 8316

Faites-le le

Question for French speakers: are there any phonological adaptations if a clitic pronoun occurs next to an article of the same form? E.g. Faites-le le plus souvent faites-le le soir du 23 décembre Faites-les les lire as opposed to faites-le la main ouverte faites-le la veille faites-les le lire I'm ...
by zompist
Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison
Replies: 23
Views: 13595

Relative clauses: cross-linguistic comparison

I've always recommended to conlangers that they consider four possible relative situations, where the target noun is (1) subject in both clauses: The player who complains about his team will lose. (2) subject in main, object in subclause: The player that Widowmaker shot was too visible. (3) object i...
by zompist
Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "hydpographica"
Replies: 5
Views: 5129

Re: "hydpographica"

FWIW, I think the default hypothesis should be that it's a typo. Speaking as an author: it's astonishing and embarrassing how blatant an error can slip past your eyes if you wrote the thing. I'm perhaps more curious how Anatolia was labeled as Natolia. Some quick Googling shows that Natolia was a pr...
by zompist
Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:07 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Good syntax books
Replies: 32
Views: 16412

Re: Good syntax books

Ooh, I wish I'd had that resource on Old Chinese before. Oh well, there are always 2nd editions. It's tricky... one thing I don't like about some of the syntax textbooks I've read is the foreign language examples! The thing is... I believe in doing syntax , not just learning a particular formalism. ...
by zompist
Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:48 am
Forum: Almea
Topic: New Almeopedia
Replies: 29
Views: 20236

Re: New Almeopedia

OK, thanks to a rare bit of good coding practice, the Atlas links should work now.

I think most of the remaining problems are in the intro sections for languages, which I'll get to eventually. If you see something else, feel free to mention it here!
by zompist
Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:02 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 2452
Views: 418985

Re: The Innovative Usage Thread

I know you're being somewhat mischievous, but doesn't it follow right up from the assumption that "this" can now clearly be used as an onomatopoeia/sentence word? Just checking on my linguistic analysis instinct. Well, in standard English "this" is a pronoun— more precisely a pro-NP. Pronouns can't...
by zompist
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:50 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: The Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 2452
Views: 418985

Re: The Innovative Usage Thread

Something I saw on Twitter the other day:
This. So much this. All the this.
I'm pretty sure this is impossible according to X-bar theory. :)
by zompist
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: Venting thread that still excludes eddy (2)
Replies: 2639
Views: 309704

Re: Venting thread that still excludes eddy

They are so banal it makes me wonder how she ever managed to create something as interesting as Sita Sings the Blues. Because she lived in India (and also surely did way more research for that movie than she did for these cartoons). Once you've spent any amount of time in India, and then you go to ...
by zompist
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:42 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Full IPA Consonant Chart
Replies: 2
Views: 3432

Re: Full IPA Consonant Chart

If you're really asking "where do I put them in a chart of my consonant inventory", the answer is "wherever it seems most helpful; probably after the velars."
by zompist
Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:31 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Good syntax books
Replies: 32
Views: 16412

Re: Good syntax books

Two new books arrived this week! Adger on Minimalism, and Goldberg on Construction Grammar. Construction Grammar is right up my alley. It relies heavily on Lakoff, who's one of my favorite linguists anyway. It's also compatible with Tomasello's work on child language acquisition (summarized in ALC)....
by zompist
Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:33 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path
Replies: 1058
Views: 224663

Re: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path

LB: I'm not sure I can make sense of that unless I delete the initial 'the': [How work gets done] informs (your) rating. Here's one I just saw: Michelle Obama's Memoir Becoming Will Be On Store Shelves a Week After the Midterm Elections No problem unless you miss the italicization, which I did for a...
by zompist
Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:36 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Good syntax books
Replies: 32
Views: 16412

Re: Good syntax books

I finished reading Carnie's book-- 3rd ed., by the way. My overall impression: I'm happy that a lot of old-style generative grammar is still there, pre-Minimalism. A lot of X' theory is either already in McCawley, or seems like a notational variant of earlier theories. Which isn't to say I like ever...
by zompist
Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path
Replies: 1058
Views: 224663

Re: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path

That may well be.

I would note that the tweet came with the photo. So it feels like the writer is trying to say several things at once: "This (waves at photo) was posted on Reddit. It's a copy of Alice. Due to water damage..."
by zompist
Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:35 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Occurrence of spelling pronunciations
Replies: 35
Views: 15560

Re: Occurrence of spelling pronunciations

Here's an alternative theory: people say what they've heard. If the people around you say [ɔftn̩], you (may) say it too. (I don't rule out a spelling pronunciation, but we shouldn't resort to this explanation if "saying what other people say" covers it.) I'm skeptical that people are doing amateur e...
by zompist
Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:10 pm
Forum: None of the above
Topic: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path
Replies: 1058
Views: 224663

Re: Confusing headlines and other trips down the garden path

Not a garden path, but reading this tweet— "This copy of Alice in Wonderland was posted on Reddit, due to water damage it's grown spores and has actual mushrooms growing out of it." https://twitter.com/SelineSigil9/status/964095705676697605 —my first thought was "Duh, don't post on Reddit, you'll al...
by zompist
Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal Eng
Replies: 44
Views: 18659

Re: Will singular "they" be as acceptable as "you" in formal

There's also the "editorial we", which led Mark Twain to the dictum that the only people allowed to refer to themselves as "we" are popes, emperors, and people with tapeworms. The "authorial we" is an interesting case. Random example from the book I'm reading: "In chapter 3, we developed the notion ...
by zompist
Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:40 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Occurrence of spelling pronunciations
Replies: 35
Views: 15560

Re: Occurrence of spelling pronunciations

Imralu wrote:Does anyone know of another English word with /ln/ in a coda? I can only think of the name Milne.
They're pretty hard to come by, but gamers have come up with "invuln".
by zompist
Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:02 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Good syntax books
Replies: 32
Views: 16412

Re: Good syntax books

The Carnie arrived today, and I'm pleased to report that, reading the first three chapters, I learned almost nothing! That is, the introductory stuff is almost identical to what I know from 25 years ago. So that's nice. The few differences are mostly notational— e.g. apparently we now write D, T for...