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by Melteor
Sun May 26, 2013 4:04 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Charivarius' "The Chaos" ("Dearest creature in creation...")
Replies: 15
Views: 4212

Re: Charivarius' "The Chaos" ("Dearest creature in creation.

I think he might have been contrasting Turk's spelling pronunciation i.e. <tu> may suggest /ˈtʃu/, which would contrast with the onset for 'jerk'. Perhaps he thought they sounded the same.
by Melteor
Mon May 13, 2013 9:45 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Are there any languages that have both /ts/ & /tɕ/ phonemes?
Replies: 107
Views: 22587

Re: Are there any languages that have both /ts/ & /tɕ/ phone

I don't see Polish on there, I wonder if it has these sounds I think everyone missed the low hanging fruit--i.e. almost the entire northwestern caucasian family: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubykh_phonology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhaz_phonology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaza_language Se...
by Melteor
Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:01 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: What is it about "I do not think it"
Replies: 16
Views: 2588

Re: What is it about "I do not think it"

To be fair (ha!) the ZBB has made me appreciate just how old certain variations are in the language, and how some things can just recirculate in and out of fashion. The Romance you mentioned, Viktor, certainly has been a viable influence at several points. Just so I add something, google wars gives ...
by Melteor
Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:26 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Post your conlang's phonology
Replies: 2278
Views: 511864

Re: Post your conlang's phonology

Pebötecü phonology, because. Consonants: /p b t~ɾ g q ɢ / <p b t k q g> /f r~ð s ts dz tɕ ʑ ɕ x~ç χ/ <f d s c z ć j ś h x> /l m n ŋ~ɴ/ <l m n Vn(-)> Vowels: /i ɯ u/ <i ü u> /ɛ ʌ ɔ/ <e ö o> /æ~a ɑ ɒ / <æ ä a> Syllable structure (C)V 1 (V 2 ) There are two tones but only high is marked with an apostro...
by Melteor
Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:37 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Lingo Dunieŭ
Replies: 45
Views: 10306

Re: Lingo Dunieŭ

Novial anybody? ^^Created by a professional linguist, Idist, English philologist and eventual co-developer of interlingua, Otto Jespersen. (Notably a Romance Germanic hybrid...like English.) I fell in love with Novial after finding Jespersen's book outlining its grammar and the reasoning behind tha...
by Melteor
Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:09 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Lingo Dunieŭ
Replies: 45
Views: 10306

Re: Lingo Dunieŭ

I think putting the definite article after the noun makes it easier to use such a gender system, because then there's less anticipating the gender of the noun that follows the article as it is matching the thematic vowel of the article to the noun's. e.g. Naoti+LV= naoti-li Also, why are there fewer...
by Melteor
Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:18 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Schwa-schwi merger
Replies: 52
Views: 13056

Re: Schwa-schwi merger

Random question: If I have only one phoneme for schwa-schwi, with the default realizations of [ə̝] initially, [ɨ̞] medially, and [ə] morpheme-finally, what should I consider its form as a phoneme? Should I call it /ə/ or /ɪ/? That's when you go neutral and use hearts instead. /♥/ That is a nice ide...
by Melteor
Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:09 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Schwa-schwi merger
Replies: 52
Views: 13056

Re: Schwa-schwi merger

Answer: who cares? Phonemes are just meant to be convenient. Can we call it a grapheme please? Another question masquerading as an answer: What evidence do you have that it is a phoneme? (What evidence do we have that anything is a phoneme? We could just hash everything. (Not that I'm a programmer ...
by Melteor
Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:43 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Lingo Dunieŭ
Replies: 45
Views: 10306

Re: Lingo Dunieŭ

Novial anybody?
^^Created by a professional linguist, Idist, English philologist and eventual co-developer of interlingua, Otto Jespersen. (Notably a Romance Germanic hybrid...like English.)
by Melteor
Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:20 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English
Replies: 57
Views: 10133

Re: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English

Well, actually I think 'pitch accent' is more commonly used for a particular type of whole-word tonal contour. It's used for tone-marked lexical pairs in Swedish which I wondered if this might not be, but I guess it isn't. There's nothing magical about 'protésters'. It's just a plain English word w...
by Melteor
Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:10 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English
Replies: 57
Views: 10133

Re: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English

A pitch accent is a stressed syllable with a pitch distinction compared to surrounding stressed or unstressed syllables (depending on your definition). It's probably got another, better, name. I think the stress matters less to the interpretation than the pitch but its hard to say, for example . I a...
by Melteor
Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:18 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English
Replies: 57
Views: 10133

Re: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English

Interestingly, <protest> has the same kind of stress shift, but the noun form seems to be overtaking the verb form as the verb form. Denominalization strikes again! I have no idea how old this change is though. I don't know that it really is overtaking the verb form. I think it more likely to be a ...
by Melteor
Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:15 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: resources
Replies: 722
Views: 314403

Re: resources

I think it's more an issue of minority dialect, maybe clerical error.
by Melteor
Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:39 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English
Replies: 57
Views: 10133

Re: Derivation of Nouns from Verbs in English

Interestingly, <protest> has the same kind of stress shift, but the noun form seems to be overtaking the verb form as the verb form. Denominalization strikes again! I have no idea how old this change is though. I don't know that it really is overtaking the verb form. I think it more likely to be a ...
by Melteor
Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:14 pm
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: "What is the most natural word order?"
Replies: 9
Views: 3205

Re: "What is the most natural word order?"

When the verb is in the middle it shows the relationship between the nouns; when the verb is at the end it allows the noun phrases to be separate from the verb phrase. Are there any languages that show the relationship between the nouns (like some sort of transitivity marker between them) but are SOV?
by Melteor
Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:32 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Future Dutch, some questions about sound changes
Replies: 21
Views: 6310

Re: Future Dutch, some questions about sound changes

also careful about introducing typologically uncommon sounds like ɬ - we simply wouldn't expect to see that in that area of Europe. the other thing is unconditionally altering t to ʔ - i guess this is based off of those english accents that do this, except that in english it never ever happens init...
by Melteor
Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:55 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Speaker's/Author's tone
Replies: 7
Views: 2240

Re: Speaker's/Author's tone

lojban also has attitudinals which are just emoticon grunts.
by Melteor
Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:59 am
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: A Transcription of English
Replies: 18
Views: 4952

Re: A Transcription of English

None of these is too bad IMO. I personally like Rusanov's because there are fewer letters, more diacritics, but both diacritics and longer words is undesirable. I favor more graphs as opposed to diacritics as well. Digraphs are okay only occasionally. I think these sort of topics, proposals belong i...
by Melteor
Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:04 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Esperanto as naturalistic conlang?
Replies: 19
Views: 5649

Re: Esperanto as naturalistic conlang?

Awesome constructions like "Mi forirontus." "I would left"? The use of -a, -e, -i, -o, -u in various ways turns Esperanto in probably the most insane language ever. Does not make it ununderstable however. People have taken to stacking word endings, e.g. 'Vivuo', the phenomenon of saying 'vivu!' (Li...
by Melteor
Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:16 pm
Forum: Conlangery & Conworlds
Topic: Esperanto as naturalistic conlang?
Replies: 19
Views: 5649

Re: Esperanto as naturalistic conlang?

I've been studying the language and there are several things about the correlatives that perplex me. A) kio (what), tio (that), kiu (which/who), tiu (that) --these four demonstratives words say nothing about distance; all told, that's probably okay; but IMO they are redundant, and no Esperantist wil...
by Melteor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:17 am
Forum: Languages & Linguistics
Topic: TED talk: how a language's grammar affects economic behavior
Replies: 45
Views: 9105

Re: TED talk: how a language's grammar affects economic beha

clawgrip wrote:So, Russian speakers are better than English speakers at identifying an arbitrary colour threshold determined by the Russian language.
This distinction is true of any culture with a taxonomizing tradition. The words make it easier to ask questions, search for data, etc.
by Melteor
Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:10 pm
Forum: L&L Museum
Topic: Vowel Systems
Replies: 109
Views: 104274

Re: Vowel Systems

If you have an unstable vowel system can you tell how it's going to collapse (roughly)