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Ah, yeah, the changes I presented over on the CBB weren't meant to indicate free variation, but variations of each of the original Proto-Hasjakam vowels found in closed and open syllables respectively. Since I didn't present any changes that could have caused those variations to become phonemic, I ...

Ah, yeah, the changes I presented over on the CBB weren't meant to indicate free variation, but variations of each of the original Proto-Hasjakam vowels found in closed and open syllables respectively. Since I didn't present any changes that could have caused those variations to become phonemic, I c...

/b t c k kʷ ʔ/ < b t c k p q > /f ħ h/ < f j h > /m n/ < m n > /l w/ < l w > /i ɨ ʉ u a e ə a ɑ ɒ/ < i eu ue u a e o ae a ao > /˦ ˧ ˨ ˨˦ ˦˨ ˥˩/ < á a à â ā ǎ > Diacritics are placed on the first letter of a digraph. An apostrophe separates vowel clusters, unless no ambiguity is present. ħɑf˧ha˨˦ bɨn...

I seem to recall recently seeing a suggestion that high vowels have the potential to cause affrication of stops, which would (if true) help explain Japanese /tu/ > [tsu], for example. So, I was wondering, could this change be extended to affect all plosives within a language, e.g. /p t k/ > [pɸ ts k...

Qwynegold wrote:And what on Earth is that /e̯/??

It looks like that's how whoever entered the data has chosen to represent /j/ (which is absent from the inventory given). It's definitely a weird way of representing it

I completely forgot about pre-aspiration in Icelandic. How'd I manage that

What are some interesting things to do with geminate consonants? Currently I have /bː,dː,gː,pː,tː,kː,zː,sː,vː,fː,mː,nː,lː,jː,ɲː,ʎː/ I'd like to do more than just degeminate them, especially if they could develop into something less Romance-y. Geminate unvoiced stops could become ejectives. If I rec...

Also, out of curiosity, does anyone actually have a link to something showing evidence of nasalization leading to open vowels? I've heard it before, but none of the evidence I've seen actually supports it. It just supports some kind of vowel changes, but that can be all kinds of different redistrib...

Possibly annoyingly for you, but yes
As for the second part of your question, I probably wouldn't find it all that distracting

Thanks, Sangi, but what could I do to specifically word-final /z/ (that absolutely isn't shifting to /s/ or /r/)? Palatalisation could still be an option if it were progressive rather than regressive (IIRC, Early Old French had both?). If you have Vj diphthongs, then the same /z/ > [ʑ] > [ɣ] > [ɰ] ...

How about this? T = Voiceless plosive D = Voiced plosive N = Nasal rT lT > ʈ Tr Tl > ʈ rD lD > ɖ Dr Dl > ɖ rN lN > ɳ Nr Nl > ɳ rts > ʈs > ʈʂ rdz > ɖz > ɖʐ I think Lhasa Tibetan has the Tr > ʈ-esque set of changes, and is it Swedish or Norwegian that has rT > ʈ? /r/ and /l/ could merge before these ...

What can I do with /z/ that isn't shifting it to /s/ or /r/? /z/ > [ʑ] before /i e j/, which could then either become [j] before /i e/ and possible shift backwards to [ɣ] (following the [ʃ] > [x] shift of Spanish?) before /a u o/, then becoming [ɰ], dropping out before /a/ and shifting to [w] befor...

/m n ɲ/ < m n ni~ņ > /p ts t tʃ k/ < p ti~ţ t ci~ç c > /b dz d dʒ g/ < b di~ḑ d gi~ģ g > /f s ʃ x~h/ < f s si~ş h > /v z ʒ/ < v z zi~z̧ > /ɫ l r j w/ < l li~ļ r i u > /i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ < i~y u e o ea a > /'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ < í~ý ú é ó éa á > /'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ < î~ŷ û ê ô êa â > /lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum ...

Kereb wrote:I KNOW
I wish they were mine. I had to return them to the dude I borrowed them from.

Well that's a shame and a half

Astraios wrote:/ɬ/ on its own often ends up as [kl] in English, cf. every Welsh toponym ever.

Or [fl], as happened with in Floyd.

Now those are some awesome boots!

Tlingan Hol (/t͡ɬɪŋɑn xol/) /m n ŋ/ < m n ng > /pʰ b tʰ ɖ qʰ ʔ/ < p b t d q ' > /t͡ɬ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ q͡χ/ < tl c j x > /v ʂ x ɣ/ < v s h g > /w r l j/ < w r l y > /ɑ ɛ ɪ o u/ < a e i o u > /t͡ɬɪŋɑn xol jɛd͡ʒxɑɖ d͡ʒɪnmol t͡ʃuʔ ʔox q͡χoʔnoʂ q͡χonoʂʔɛʔ. t͡ɬɪŋɑn xol d͡ʒɑt͡ɬwɪʔpʰuʔvɑɖ wɪt͡ʃɛrpʰuʔ. nox q͡χɑpʰmɛx...

Initials: /b t d k/ < b t d k > /f s h/ < f s h > /m n ŋ/ < m n g > Syllables with no initial are realized with a glide: /e ɤ o i u/ [je wʊ wo ji wu] < je vọ vo ji vu >. /a ɿ/ cannot occur without an initial. Medials: /a e ɤ~ʊ o i u ɿ~ʮ~ɯ/ < a e ọ o i u ụ > /ai ɤi oi ui ae aɤ eɯ au eu iu/ < ai ọi oi...

Säämćjïll /sa:mc͡çjɘl:/ /m n ɲ ŋ/ < m n ń ņ > /p b t d k g/ < p b t d k g > /t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ/ < c ʒ č ǯ ć ʒ́ > /f v ð s z ʃ ʒ ʝ x ɣ/ < f v ð s z š ž ź h y > /w l r ʎ j/ < w l r ĺ j > /i e ɛ a ɘ ɐ u o ɔ ɑ/ < i e ẹ ä ï ë u o ọ a > /i: e: a: ɘ: ɐ: u: o: ɔ: ɑ:/ < ii ee ẹẹ ää ïï ëë uu oo ọọ aa >...

Rusyn /p b t d k g/ < p b t d k g > /t͡s t͡ʃ ʃt͡ʃ/ < c č ć > /f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɦ/ < f v s z š ž ch h > /m n/ < m n > /l j r -ʲ/ < l j r * > *acute accent on following vowels or an apostrophe if no vowel is following. /i ɨ ɪ e a o u/ < i ì y e a o u > /toʒ ʃanjme ridne slovo, od velɪka aʒ do mala. vʃɨt...

So, I get Holtzman's law in general, i.e. the doubling of *w and *y in certain positions in Proto-Germanic, and then that *ww and *jj became *ggw and *ggj in North Germanic and *ggw and *ddj in East Germanic, but I'm having a little trouble figuring out what happened afterwards. Looking through Wikt...

Old Church Slavonic : /m n ɲ/ < m n ń > /p b t d ts dz tʃ dʒ ʃt ʒd k g/ < p b t d c ʒ č ǯ ć ʒ́ k g > /s z ʃ ʒ (ɕ) x/ < s z š ž ś h > /r rʲ l ʎ ʋ j/ < r ŕ l ĺ v j > /i ɪ ʊ ɯ u/ < i ĭ ŭ y u > /e ẽ o õ/ < e ę o ǫ > /æ a/ < á a > /i pristõpi kʊ ɲemu dijæʋolʊ jiskuʃajẽ ji i retʃe aʃte sinʊ jesi boʒiji r...

There's also this PDF

KathAveara wrote:Those are developments in Sanskrit.

Wikipedia and Wiktionary at least seem to back this up, with traditional PIE *g becoming *gʰ before a laryngeal.

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Clearsand wrote:onomatapia (I dont think thats spelled right)

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