Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:55 pm
What kind of expression are you thinking of?Eddy the Great wrote:How is a situation where a locative has to be attached to a verb handled?
What kind of expression are you thinking of?Eddy the Great wrote:How is a situation where a locative has to be attached to a verb handled?
I was inside it-fly-to-the-stars. That sort of thing.What kind of expression are you thinking of?
'Inside' in this case would be the root, as it-flies-to-the-stars+inside+I.Eddy the Great wrote:I was inside it-fly-to-the-stars. That sort of thing.What kind of expression are you thinking of?
Cheyenne doesn't have, nor have a use for, a copula. That's one of the things that makes it intertestingly different from English.Eddy the Great wrote:Heres what I did:
K?st?u?ks?tq?ft?nitski ksaama.
K?-st?-u-?ks?-tq?-ft?-ni-tski ksa-a-ma.
hab.-star-plural-at-movement.toward-fly-3SSA-inside is-past-1SSA
I was inside it-flys-to-the-stars.
I reused a locative as a verb inflection.
I assume you mean something like "X going to Y." If so, yes, both languages use directionals indicating notions like 'toward speaker' and 'away from speaker' or some other fixed point.Eddy the Great wrote:Do Mohawk and Cheyenne have something like a locative for "to someone" or "for someone"?
A couple different ways you can do that. First, you can say something like "He made my house," which expresses the same thing. Or you can do a ditransitive, which an expression with both a direct and indirect object. These are used to some degree in Cheyenne; but the agreement is too complicated to get into here.Eddy the Great wrote:What about "He made a house for me."?
Nahuatl would gloss that asEddy the Great wrote:What about "He made a house for me."?
Both are base-5; 6=5+1, 7=5+2, etc. Higher numbers are formed via multiplication, e.g., 40=4x10. But in Cheyenne are two kinds of numbers, the "times" numbers and the "quantity" numbers; times numbers best correspond to out counting system.Eddy the Great wrote:What kind of number system does Mohawk or Cheyenne use?
There's no cardinal/ordinal distinction, no.Eddy the Great wrote:I haven't gotten to the number system yet. I'll have to work on it. Do they have something like 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.?
So "the 1st rock" and "the 1 rock" would be the same? It would actually work well for later numbers, like "the 5th rock" and not "the 5 rock*".There's no cardinal/ordinal distinction, no.
Something like neshe xaone 'two skunks' can also mean 'the second skunk (of some series)'. This uses quantity number, as opposed to times numbers (nexa is the times number, neshe the quantity number).Eddy the Great wrote:So "the 1st rock" and "the 1 rock" would be the same? It would actually work well for later numbers, like "the 5th rock" and not "the 5 rock*".There's no cardinal/ordinal distinction, no.
We've gone over this before. No, neither have "irregular verbs" in the IE sense; and while Cheyenne has several different pluralizers, use of them is pretty consistent.Eddy the Great wrote:How regular are Cheyenne and Mohawk in general? Do they have irregular verbs, plurals?
So compared to IE langs, they are rather regular? Are numbers regular or does something like twelve or eleven occur?We've gone over this before. No, neither have "irregular verbs" in the IE sense; and while Cheyenne has several different pluralizers, use of them is pretty consistent.
Each has its own irregularities; Mohawk in particular has a complex sandhi system that inspired Noyatukah's. Morphemes in Mohawk have many different allomorphs, depending on what other morphemes they combine with. And Cheyenne sound changes (like /sh/ backed to /x/ before /o/) disturb some of its symmetry. So, while all verbs use the same sets of affixes in both languages, there's often more to changing a verb's form that just changing its pronominal(s). (And for Mohawk verbal nominals, you sometimes have to shift much more than the pronominal; if there are possessives in the word, e.g., they will have to be dualized or pluralized if the nominal goes dual or plural.)Eddy the Great wrote:So compared to IE langs, they are rather regular? Are numbers regular or does something like twelve or eleven occur?We've gone over this before. No, neither have "irregular verbs" in the IE sense; and while Cheyenne has several different pluralizers, use of them is pretty consistent.
Lots of words in both exhibit a striking degree of polysymy. A word can have a fixed meaning but refer to several different things.Eddy the Great wrote:How flexible are words in those langs? Didn't you say that a word ment a general concept like a bridging?
Like personal or place names? They're usually just ordinary words in the language.Eddy the Great wrote:How are names formed in Mohawk and Cheyenne? Are they verbs, too?