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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:21 pm 
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Well shoot, I haven't added the Ojibwe months yet! The traditional calendar had twelve lunar months, plus a thirteenth leap-month but I'm not sure of the specifics on how this latter worked. The names vary quite a lot by location/dialect, so this is not representative of all Ojibwe-speaking communities (and because the traditional months didn't line up exactly with the European ones, the equivalencies given to English month names are approximate):

January: Gichi-manidoo-giizis ("great spirit moon")
February: Namebini-giizis (" moon")
March: Onaabani-giizis ("crust on the snow moon")
April: Iskigamizige-giizis (" moon")
May: Waabigwanii-giizis ("flower moon")
June: Ode'imini-giizis ("strawberry moon")
July: Aabita-niibino-giizis ("middle of the summer moon")
August: Manoominike-giizis (" moon")
September: Waatebagaa-giizis ("bright leaves moon")
October: Binaakwii-giizis ("falling leaves moon")
November: Gashkadino-giizis ("water freezes over moon")
December: Manidoo-giizisoons ("little spirit moon")


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finlay I thought of you when I read L'alphabētarium's post.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:42 pm 
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Somebody has to take care over people learning to distinguish phonemes from phones. I commend and applaud finlay for his efforts during all these years.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:46 am 
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It's almost always an allophone of /m/ or /n/; and so it doesn't contrast with them.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:39 am 
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But you can use it as a phoneme in one if your conlangs, L'alphabētarium. No problem.

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One of the Hellesan subdialects contrasts (or contrasted) /m/ and /ɱ/. The first is the sound of <m> while the other is for <v> (previously was /v/).

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:24 pm 
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John Wells says that the IPA adopted [ɱ] without even knowing of a language that used it distinctively, making it quite an exception to the principles of the IPA. What's another language that has it as a phoneme different from /m/?


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As we all know, Hellesan is a natural language spoken on the Iberian Peninsula that Izambri has been researching for a whole number of years now. There were rumors that he might've made it up, but of course this is an outrageous claim without any foundation in facts. And if a dialect of Hellesan can have a /m : ɱ/ distinction, so can your conlang if you're striving for naturalism. At least that's two languages with a reported /m : ɱ/ distinction now.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:57 pm 
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However, most of his research is in his native tongue, Basque, which explains the scarcety of material in English.


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