Examples would be unenlightening, since you know nothing of the languages. The basic idea is that you can combine roots as long as the proniminal prefix(es) apply equally to all of them; kind of like a serial verb construction.Eddy the Great wrote:That's interesting. Do you have some examples?The Iroquois languages also have verb compounding, with restictions.
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So you could compound like to get an equivalent of "He made and destroyed it", but not "He made it and destroyed me"?jburke wrote:Examples would be unenlightening, since you know nothing of the languages. The basic idea is that you can combine roots as long as the proniminal prefix(es) apply equally to all of them; kind of like a serial verb construction.Eddy the Great wrote:That's interesting. Do you have some examples?The Iroquois languages also have verb compounding, with restictions.
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What salient behavioral differences do cecropia moths and luna moths have? I'm asking as an example of my problem. I can't come up with words based on behavior or feeling for so many animals and it's even harder for plant. Then you get to rocks which can't be refered to with verbs.
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Eddy, I do believe that Jeff is ignoring you.Eddy the Great wrote:Like a word meaning "to be a luna moth"? Does JBurke have any comments on this?
To answer your question, the word should be something like
<flap-soft-(v)>. With a possible few extra determiners to indicate that you mean a Luna moth, and not a Hummingbird or Monarch.
Not per se. I don't have the time to answer every question or read every thread; so I don't. I mostly hang around the Languages & Linguistics area, or None of the Above. I haven't found any conlangs/mythologies/etc. posted of late that are particularly interesting, so I don't visit this area as often.Drydic_guy wrote:Eddy, I do believe that Jeff is ignoring you.Eddy the Great wrote:Like a word meaning "to be a luna moth"? Does JBurke have any comments on this?
To address your question: if there really is no difference at all between two insects, two animals, etc., then there won't be separate names for them. They'll be called by the same name. Naming goes by how they act, what they do; e.g., Halkomelem distinguishes the sandhill crane from the blue heron by the fact that the former flies with its neck outstretched, while the latter folds its neck in flight. But visually they look very much alike.
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I see. What about rock types? In your PDF, you had a word for alabaster.To address your question: if there really is no difference at all between two insects, two animals, etc., then there won't be separate names for them. They'll be called by the same name. Naming goes by how they act, what they do; e.g., Halkomelem distinguishes the sandhill crane from the blue heron by the fact that the former flies with its neck outstretched, while the latter folds its neck in flight. But visually they look very much alike.
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Named for their textures, their uses, etc. And now and then for color. What something _does_ is more important than what it _is_; and a quality like hardness or smoothness, often called a "stative" by grammarians, is actually a process.Eddy the Great wrote:I see. What about rock types? In your PDF, you had a word for alabaster.To address your question: if there really is no difference at all between two insects, two animals, etc., then there won't be separate names for them. They'll be called by the same name. Naming goes by how they act, what they do; e.g., Halkomelem distinguishes the sandhill crane from the blue heron by the fact that the former flies with its neck outstretched, while the latter folds its neck in flight. But visually they look very much alike.
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I like the word for mosquito translating as something like wind-with-slight-pain. I'm currently thinking about a good word for headache. I was thinking of something related to the feeling of the head being compressed. I'm really not sure I need a word meaning headache in some way, though. I was thinking of saying something to the effect to "Something squeezes my head" since that's exactly what it feels like to me, at least.
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Nahaama?ta name?ko 'I hurt in my head' = I have a headache in Cheyenne.Eddy the Great wrote:I like the word for mosquito translating as something like wind-with-slight-pain. I'm currently thinking about a good word for headache. I was thinking of something related to the feeling of the head being compressed. I'm really not sure I need a word meaning headache in some way, though. I was thinking of saying something to the effect to "Something squeezes my head" since that's exactly what it feels like to me, at least.
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Can you show me what the morphemes mean and where one begins and ends the way I often do?Nahaama?ta name?ko 'I hurt in my head' = I have a headache in Cheyenne.
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Na=1st person subjectEddy the Great wrote:Can you show me what the morphemes mean and where one begins and ends the way I often do?Nahaama?ta name?ko 'I hurt in my head' = I have a headache in Cheyenne.
haama?=root for 'bad' (this root is often used for referring to bad mental or physical states)
ta =final
na=1st person possessive (should have a high pitch accent on it)
me?=head
ko=in/to
I haven't got a lot of experience with Polysynthetic languages, but I've always loved their way of expressing things, so I think I'd venture a few thought on this.
Perhaps you could distinguish headaches, if subtlely. Perhaps have several words (operative term) with distinctions in meaning:
I-think-with-pain
I-dream-with-pain
Dream-with-needles
Think-with-needles
Although those suggest personal crisis more than a mere headache.
Maybe:
I-am-in-my-head-with-pain
Head-with-many-weights
Those are perhaps more appropros. But I don't know your language well enough to judge.
I'll probably fiture something like this out myself some day, I doubt I'll resist the urge to tinker with polysyntheticism long, but long enough to enough that I don't try to conlang out of my depth.
Perhaps you could distinguish headaches, if subtlely. Perhaps have several words (operative term) with distinctions in meaning:
I-think-with-pain
I-dream-with-pain
Dream-with-needles
Think-with-needles
Although those suggest personal crisis more than a mere headache.
Maybe:
I-am-in-my-head-with-pain
Head-with-many-weights
Those are perhaps more appropros. But I don't know your language well enough to judge.
I'll probably fiture something like this out myself some day, I doubt I'll resist the urge to tinker with polysyntheticism long, but long enough to enough that I don't try to conlang out of my depth.
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well, we have the sharp pain of a sinus headache, the infamous migrane, headache from hitting head, stress headaches, etc
all of these also have severity levels.
all of these also have severity levels.
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I don't believe so. If you recall, there was a thread last month discussing this topicEddy the Great wrote:How do names work in say, Mohawk? I know they are also verbs, but do they take some sort of change because they're names or something?
(you were part of it too, Eddy), and Jeff wrote the following:
p@,jburke wrote:The difference between the traditions is that European names tend to be enetities unto themselves, whereas Indian names are usually just ordinary words in the tribal language. Indian names also tend to directly describe the person, or attribute something to him directly.
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What do you think would be a good way to express these words with verbal phrases?
cat
dog
chair
road
fan/air conditioner
car/truck(should there be separate words?)
A few ideas wouldn't hurt.
cat
dog
chair
road
fan/air conditioner
car/truck(should there be separate words?)
A few ideas wouldn't hurt.
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Dog: it-habitually-bites-arms-offEddy the Great wrote:What do you think would be a good way to express these words with verbal phrases?
cat
dog
chair
road
fan/air conditioner
car/truck(should there be separate words?)
A few ideas wouldn't hurt.
Chair: it-breaks-when-one-sits-on-it
Road: it-goes-ever-on-and-on
Car/truck: it-habitually-runs-people-over
...on second thought, maybe not.
Ah, yes...Jaaaaaa wrote:Road: it-goes-ever-on-and-on
The possibilities are endless; Jeff previously mentioned that the Cheyenne for "car" translates as "it-burns-as-it-goes-along-thing", and one Athapaskan language translates "typewriter" roughly as "you-write-it-and-they-throw-it-away", after the early typing practice exercises.The Road goes ever on and on,
Down from the door where it began...
Cat: "hunts-small-squeaking-things"; "rumbles" (purring); "sees-the-sun-and-moon" (because of the way the pupils of their eyes adjust to the light); or my favorite, "walks-by-itself".
City names might be formed after historical events ("they-fought-nine-nights"), or, more likely, geographic descritions; I've already mentioned that there is a small town here in Ohio named Roaming Shores (presumably after a shifting river bed).
p@,
Glenn