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Maknas--

I found a version of Hail Mary in Petter's Cheyenne orthography:

Ave Maria,
zenanosheamaesz
Maheo zevissevata
zeshivatamaet zeoxextohevoxzheeo,
na ninanoshivatama nihevetoxeszexaet Jesus.
Sana Maria Maheo heeshk,
nixaona-otshemen havsivevo-e-tastovez,
hezeze namaxoost nanastonan.
Enahaan.

Petter's blunders:

No glottals, when this is one of the commonest sounds in the language;

<z> for the [ts] affricate;

Word-final consonants, when Cheyenne words always end with a vowel; this happened because he didn't catch the voiceless vowels at the ends of many words;

Doubled consonants, when these never occur in the language;

No markings for pitch or vowel devoicing whatsoever.


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This hardly seems surprising, given what the man was likely used to.

No glottals - don't occur phonemically in IE (so far as I know) so easily overlooked.
"z" for "ts" - hardly seems much of a flaw - that's what "z" stands for in German as well (and other languages, I think). Using a German spelling convention rather than an English one doesn't seem too great a sin.
Missing final vowels - whoops, should have listened harder. Can't really defend that one.
Double consonants - again, don't know of any good reason. Maybe something to do with following/preceeding vowel quality, as in English?
Not adding pitch or devoicing - neither occur phonemically in IE, so they'd have been difficult to spot, and even if he did, maybe he didn't realise that they were important. On the other hand, English does not mark stressed vowels (which are often phonemic), or pitch (which is phonemic in conversation, even if not in strict grammar).


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These are the same people who supposedly created a writing system unlike anything they knew about for the Cree.

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